i know they exist but im saying creation is a theoryOriginally Posted by metalman
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Its not a "theory" that those exist....they DO. You can even look at pictures of them. Theyre not a theory, they are existing physical evidence, just like fingerprints at a crime scene.
No matter how you put your hands over your eyes so that you can't seem them, theyre still there.
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I understand where youre coming from. I have been on "that side" so I can relate. Knowing whether the Bible is true/accurate or not is something all must wrestle with. All I can do is share my experience. I have taken things that are promises in the Bible and sincerely, with an honest prayerful heart, and approached them, tested them, asking God to show me. My thoughts are if there is no God, OR if His so-called Word isnt valid or accurate then those things won't be/come true. Lets face it, if you pray to a toad you get no answer. All that will happen is NOTHING.
Well all I can say is that I did get answers, I got conclusive results. Which then lead to more testing and trial of Biblical principles, and so on. It's a journey, and by no means one I have completed.
I dont think it sounds "horrid" for anyone to say they believe in God.And to clarify, metalman, I do believe in God, as horrid as it may sound coming from me. I just have too many questions that NO ONE will ever be able to answer. And, just as in my ghost hunting expeditions, I like to look at both sides of the coin when looking at something. Science and ?. Later, QD.
I am a "horrid" person...I have come in time to believe in God, know what I mean?
I do understand being a sceptic. I am a very sceptical person, so I can relate.
Again, all I can tell you from my own experience is do not be too quick to assume that you will never find answers. I realize that some questions must wait to be answered but I would be cautious on saying exactly which those are.
I know what you mean. I didn't mean horrid as in believing in God is horrid. I mean it as you see how I am on here, the language and such. A person like me believing. Later, QD.
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this same subject kinda came up before in the evolution thread. the whole God versus science thing is an interesting argument...
on the one hand, in the absence of technology, you find that man credits everything to the creator. from rainfall to crops growing, etc. but as man understands the workings of the universe more and more, less and less is attributed to the "magical powers" of God.
in studying philosophy and the evolution of thinking throughout the centuries, it seems that the advent of western philosophy (started largely by the greeks) pretty much signaled beginning of the rift between science and religion/spirituality. and now that rift is like a chasm, lol.
what's interesting though is that the original greek philosophers like pythagoras (sp), etc, actually were taught in the mystery school systems in Egypt. it seems that the ancient egyptians (actually eastern thought in general) didn't have this issue with believing in God AND the scientific method like we do today.
their ideas about the nature of God, etc are different from ours, but they were able to reconcile it into one big picture. as a matter of fact, before you could even start to LEARN about metaphysical/spiritual concepts...you had to demonstrate a mastery of math and science first.
personally i think those guys were on the money, and the greeks kinda lost that in translation. the bible says God is a God of order and not the author of confusion...the universe is a system that was obviously designed by a set of rules, and the scientific method is the tool we as humans have to discover how it all works, so we can use it to our benefit.
but just because we're smart enough to see how God did it, and even duplicate it on a smaller scale (we're made in God's image, so this is natural), doesn't mean we should run and leave God out of the equation. i think that's just pretentious. but at the end of the day, it all starts with an assumption, so you have to make your own choice...
Why should it matter how you talk on here? I don't think your language is as big of an issue as to the condition of your overall relationship with God. Everyone has one, good or bad, regardless if you acknowledge it or not. I know Christians who swear, its just something they try to deal with. Not to say its right, but it happens.
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so how do you think everything got here?
did an absolute void explode form nothing to create everything?
I would think everyone would at least be agnostic.
somebody had to start this shit up. be it Buddha, God, or an 8 legged elephant.
I was just curious how someone comes to the decision to "be" an atheist.
i'm not atheist, but divine intervention (not anywhere near what christians believe) put in action a cycle(evolution) which man has become top of the food chain.
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i'm with u on that one.so how do you think everything got here?
did an absolute void explode form nothing to create everything?
I would think everyone would at least be agnostic.
somebody had to start this shit up. be it Buddha, God, or an 8 legged elephant.
I was just curious how someone comes to the decision to "be" an atheist.
Agreed. Natural order of things. However, when we look around most will find that man is the only being that doesn't exist in harmony with everything else around him. I feel that we are an unexpected pregnancy so to speak.
^ i agree to a point... someone always has to become superior... Lion king of the jungle, etc... you take are society alone (just man) even in our own society only the strong survive... we have/don't have harmony in our own species beyond the entire planet.
but if man would quit trying to be better than his fellow man, or if the strong would help the weak... we would all get along much better.
ummm that is what tree hugging hippies don't understand... no creature including man is capable of that. the strong will survive its animal instinct.
I believe that if your Atheist than you don't know what to believe in. And you are trying to make up your mind. Some people finally believe in something and turn away from Atheism. And then again some don't and die as an Atheist. But thats just what I think and I could be very wrong.
right... the strong will survive... but the strong are strong for a reason... just like the leader of a wolf pack.. he's the leader cause he's the strongest.. so he's responsible for taking care of all under him. not just himself.
i'm not disagreeing with u.. ur totally correct, but we could do more to help is all.
that sounds kinda "Communist".
I've been doing some research and the only other "animals" on the planet that take care of their elderly and sick are a few species of ape and some bird or something like that.
kinda strange if you ask me.
this thread is a load of bullshit, just cause people cant prove something it has to be god?so how do you think everything got here?
did an absolute void explode form nothing to create everything?
I would think everyone would at least be agnostic.
somebody had to start this shit up. be it Buddha, God, or an 8 legged elephant.
I was just curious how someone comes to the decision to "be" an atheist.
ok buddy youve convinced me, now i am gonna believe there is a god because i dont fully understand how the world came to be
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Are we still in the middle of a red scare?that sounds kinda "Communist"
Evolution works. A baby is created from 2 cells and then grows into a human, the same thing could happen in primordial ooze millions of years ago.
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do you have proof that your "god" created this world can be said for people that say how do you know that big bang theory happened. For me i do not know whether evolution created this world or "god" created this world there is no definite proof of either but i'll sway towards the world of agnostics/atheists. I definately don't like the hypcritical Christians that come up to me at Willy's (while i'm at work) and ask me if i've been good but how do you know what good is when u don't follow jesus' path. I'm not preaching about agnosticism/atheism or even hinduism which i believe certain parts of.
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a. I wasn't trying to "convert" anyone.this thread is a load of bullshit, just cause people cant prove something it has to be god?
ok buddy youve convinced me, now i am gonna believe there is a god because i dont fully understand how the world came to be
b. why you gotta be so damned sensitive? for someone who makes more threads about/bashing christianity(not that I am 1) than Lucient does threads about asses, you sure do get your panties in a bunch about this.
c. awnser the question or don't bother posting. you're not contributing anything to it.
show me one thread where i have bashed a religion....a. I wasn't trying to "convert" anyone.
b. why you gotta be so damned sensitive? for someone who makes more threads about/bashing christianity(not that I am 1) than Lucient does threads about asses, you sure do get your panties in a bunch about this.
c. awnser the question or don't bother posting. you're not contributing anything to it.
as ive said before you wont find it
i am the one who got this forum on here, so i think i have contributed more than you knwo
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and how am i getting all defensive about it? im not even athiest
im just showing how dumb and narrow minded that question is
its just as believable that it created from micro-organisms as it is for a god to create it
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Talk about repost after repost.
You can always tell when someone is trying just a little too hard.
toucheTalk about repost after repost.
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so it's ok for you to "ask questions" about christianity that you could just damned google, but when I ask an honest opinion of atheistis(there are several on here) you go ape shit. you're the only dumb narrow mminded person here pal.and how am i getting all defensive about it? im not even athiest
im just showing how dumb and narrow minded that question is
its just as believable that it created from micro-organisms as it is for a god to create it
wow, you're not an athiest? I really thought so(no kidding). muslim? and no you don't have to awnser, so don't get bent out of shape @ me for asking.
i ask questions for a discussion, common sense would have told you thatso it's ok for you to "ask questions" about christianity that you could just damned google, but when I ask an honest opinion of atheistis(there are several on here) you go ape shit. you're the only dumb narrow mminded person here pal.
how do i go ape shit? because i felt what you asked was stupid?
your theone getting bent out of shape buddy
nah man im agnostic, funny how you automaticall assume muslim, since by your posts about islam you have some sort of ignorant hatred toward themwow, you're not an athiest? I really thought so(no kidding). muslim? and no you don't have to awnser, so don't get bent out of shape @ me for asking.
and for the record, most of your posts you make no matter what religion they are directed towards, seem to be worded in a way to start an argument and not a discussion. in this thread you were basically making fun of people who didnt believe in a higher power the way you worded it, just a little FYI. It comes to no surprise no one really likes what you post, from what ive heard
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ok, sure. that's why YOU got all pissy.i ask questions for a discussion, common sense would have told you that
how do i go ape shit? because i felt what you asked was stupid?
your theone getting bent out of shape buddy
it was just a guess. I just post on "islam" just to add some variety to the "Christianity Quiz Show" you've got going on here. sry, if I broke your stride.nah man im agnostic, funny how you automaticall assume muslim, since by your posts about islam you have some sort of ignorant hatred toward them
what do you think would happen if I posted of Mohammed slappin' Bin Laden? you'd call me a muslim hater again. looks like you've got some kind of "haterd" for christians. with your sig and your "discussions". what chew know bout dat?
btw: on several occasions you've asked if I am a christian. so if me thinking you're muslim makes a hater then....
[/quote}and for the record, most of your posts you make no matter what religion they are directed towards, seem to be worded in a way to start an argument and not a discussion. in this thread you were basically making fun of people who didnt believe in a higher power the way you worded it, just a little FYI. It comes to no surprise no one really likes what you post, from what ive heard[/QUOTE]
I wasn't making fun of anybody. at least no more than anyone else on here. when they say that they, "Hate God."(not that I care) and such. why don't you jump all over them? you have nothing to say then? that's not insulting?
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sorry i wasnt pissyok, sure. that's why YOU got all pissy.
no how can i say something to b@d@pple? hes a fuckin mod in here too buddyI wasn't making fun of anybody. at least no more than anyone else on here. when they say that they, "Hate God."(not that I care) and such. why don't you jump all over them? you have nothing to say then? that's not insulting?
i asked what you were because you posted in one thread "other" and in another buddhist, so why not share what you are, since i did the same
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anyways lets get back on topic cause i dont want to lock this
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exactly. just because we as humans can't explain or can't even begin to fathom in our minds the crazy shit that went into the creation of this planet, universe or whatever, doesn't automatically mean there was a God that created it all. that just seems like the easy way out or being so insecure in ones ignorance that they feel like they have to believe in something.
1st Law of Termodynamics
The first law says that although matter and energy can be changed in form, the total quantity of mass/energy is always the same. ie: matter cannot be created or destroyed.
you tell me what started it all. and by all I mean every damned thing in the damn universe. from gravity to the potato salad @ KFC. and I don't mean, "a Big Bang of nothing made Everything". b/c that don't Jive with one of the few actual "LAWS" of science.
Because to Me, a God/dieity/whatever you want to call it creating man, the universe, and everything in it sounds a whole lot more plasuable to me.
b/c @ least I can look @ the 1st Law of thermodynamics and say, "Big Bang? well fuct dat."
^^^hey smartass, who created the 1st law of thermodynamics? think about that one for a minute
^well, it's better than being a dumbass^ isn't it.
I made the refrence and you think asking me when discovered it is a witty response? and he didn't "create" it. it was more of a discovery, since it already exsisted. it's just that no one knew about it or had a name for it before.
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yeah, you're right there. b/c believing there was a "Big Bang"(no matter how intellectual that may sound) isn't an "easy way out". espically after having knowalge of the Laws of Thermodynamics....not to mention other scientific fact. but lets not get this thread To off track
http://www.direct.ca/trinity/1law.html
wouldn't know about being a dumbass, u on the other hand i cannot speak for because...
in ur lame attempt at being witty w/the whole bold letters and shit, u failed to identify who really discovered the 1st law of thermo...yeah, not newton genious (yes, with an "O"), try robert mayer.
lastly, who ever said i believed in the big bang theory? u know what they say about ppl who assume...yeah, you're right there. b/c believing there was a "Big Bang"(no matter how intellectual that may sound) isn't an "easy way out". espically after having knowalge of the Laws of Thermodynamics....not to mention other scientific fact. but lets not get this thread To off track
http://www.direct.ca/trinity/1law.html
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O-Snap! now That was witty.
your pathetic attempt @ google shows what a weak mind you really have.
mayer helped to lay some ground work for future scientists later. He did Not devepole it him self. here I goolgled something so maybe you could understand.http://www.geocities.com/Axiom43/sciencelaws.html
lastly, who ever said i believed in the big bang theory? u know what they say about ppl who assume...
yeah, I heard that one, like 12 years ago.
ok, what's your theory? Romuls & Remus? an 8 legged elephant? a cosmic mother cow? elighten us Master Yoda.
damn right that was witty, i would say game recognize game but i'm not sure that you've got the game...
pathetic attempt at google? that's pretty funny right there. are you really retarded to point where you cannot differentiate between the laws of MOTION and the laws of THERMODYNAMICS? i hear southern poly has some good engineering classes, maybe you should pick a few up if you can manage to get in...
heard it 12 yrs ago? didn't realize you could hear anything while still in your dad's left nut.yeah, I heard that one, like 12 years ago.
ok, what's your theory? Romuls & Remus? an 8 legged elephant? a cosmic mother cow? elighten us Master Yoda.
and who said i had a theory? this isn't the first thread where i've pointed out that we as humans very well may not have the ability to cope with the idea of creation, or crazy ass theories such as the big bang. does it mean they didn't happen? no, but it also does not mean that we'll ever find enough evidence to satiate our quest for proof of one or the other.
nice star wars reference asshat, and yoda told me to tell you: "learn to spell you should young padawan."
scroll down the link pal. mayer was a "catalyst" not the result.
nice star wars reference asshat, and yoda told me to tell you: "learn to spell you should young padawan."
Now I know you're full of shit! no way in hell Yoda would've said that.
he would've said something more like, "learn to spell you should my young padawan."
man your skull is thick...catalyst? result? what part of newton did not come up with the laws of thermodynamics do you not understand? the way your reasoning stands, i can just as easily say henry ford came up with the designs for the latest ferrari.
that was such a lame attempt at wit and humor that i'm not even going to honor it with a response...Now I know you're full of shit! no way in hell Yoda would've said that.
he would've said something more like, "learn to spell you should my young padawan."
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that makes more sense that Sahmmi ever will.
i will take this as your official bow out from our battle of wits, one which you were never fully equipped for anywaythat makes more sense that Sahmmi ever will.
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