that shit is awsome. if used according to the direction. I only took 3 instead of 4 like it says. at the same time I also took cell-tech and nitro-tech. this is when I was in iraq. when over there at 190 lost about 25lbs. started on that mixture. maintained about 9% bodyfat and came home weighing 218. I'm starting again this monday with same mix. best thing to do is take before and after pics. you will notice this stuff within ten days. what they call the perpetual pump and it gets better from there.