Some serious stuff here. I love listening to other people's beliefs... It helps in understanding what is right and wrong. I think bottom line, it comes down to what you personally believe in your heart. I know that Jesus saved me and He is the only way for me. He provides for everything in my life and TO HIM BE THE GLORY in all things. but I like hearing what other people have to say. I like the way my religion post is being censored!!!
Jeremiah
Last edited by holy mini; 06-08-2006 at 03:46 AM.
guess that's why he's a nUb huh?
guess so LOLOriginally Posted by absoludely
guess that's why he's a nUb huh?
Val for President
Nice discussion.
I agree with Baby J to an extent, believe it or not.
The only fault I find with his viewpoint is that he seems (correct me if I'm wrong) to be globbing ALL "RELIGIONS", especially Christianity, into the same mixing bowl.
Personally, I think that spirituality is a pesonal thing. Regardless if you go to church 100 times a week or never. WHAT you believe in is infinitely more important than WHERE you believe it IMO.
In other words, there are religions (including Christians) that blindly follow the preacher/rabbi/leader/etc without ever using their own brains to think for themselves and research what they are hearing. If it doesn't make sense to you, why follow it? If it does, why not?
Some people choose to ignore things, some choose not to believe things. That is completely and 100% their perrogative. Those people also need to understand, and more importantly respect, that there are MORE people that disagree with their religious point of view. It is inevitable. As a matter of fact, if you read the Bible, it tells you THAT is the way it has ALWAYS been. The minority trying to convince the majority. It is simply the way it is. Our job is merely to profess what we feel to be true in our hearts when called upon. After that it is the job of the listener to CHOOSE what to do with that information. It really is that basic at it's core.
You listen, you choose. Easy enough. Both sides have consequences. You just have to choose which one works for you.
I am a noob, and proud of it... But even down the road, I will still talk about my car club as it is a big part of my life... It is also a part of my faith and my ministry. I wish there was not censorship (or editing) in the religion posts, but I respect that.
now that that's said... lets get to the discussion...
I also believe 100% that it never matters where you believe or what you are classified as in religious terms, cause it does come down to your personal ideas and mindset. I feel sorry for people that believe things just cause someone puts up a good argument and sells them on an idea... It take conviction and personal experiences to create your ideas... Some times when we just follow the motions of life we get caught up in a routeen and never grow (mentally or spiritually).
Welp just my 2 cents...
I would have to agree with you. Some people tend to believe, that you accept Jesus into your heart, and you can go back to your regular life. But you have to change some things to get where you need to be.
I am not religious by any means, but I do believe in God, and Jesus is Lord. I believe religion gets to complicated. As far as faith goes, the way I see it is, its not by sight. Can you see a line of love between two people? Honestly, I think not. You can feel the love between two people. So its kind of the same thing. Now to also state this, you can see faith in someone by there actions...and their love for someone. But I think it goes deeper then actions.
Last edited by babygurl; 06-08-2006 at 09:24 AM.
grand prix.....
BabyJ is correct there are "christains" who will push religion on someone, telling them their beliefs are wrong. And honestly to me I dont view that as a "True Christain" Honestly a true christain will listen to someone's views, and discuss not argue like children about God, and religion.
Religion is man made.
Please find me where it says anywhere on the board and in the bible where Jesus/God will only save one race????
grand prix.....
U missed my point silly. I never said that. But you have devout Christians downing other religions in an organized fashion. They said that "their" God is the truth and the light, which to me says that others' God is not. Of course we can't be stupid, if I create a homemade religion then of course it's garbage. But most of the mainstream relgions are more alike than they are different... yet a fire and brimstone Christian preacher will gladly openly say that religion xyz (Muslims, for example) are gonna burn.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
You are right that delivery is wayyy off, but there is some truth to what they're saying.
Don't flame me just yet, hear me out.
The Bible clearly says that there is only ONE GOD. It also says that you shouldn't worship any OTHER "Gods" too. So therefore, that fire and brimstone preacher may be standoffish in his delivery of that message, but his content is technically correct.
It's the old addage of "you get more bees with honey than with vinegar...." Most preachers that deliver the message in that fashion rely on scare tactics as a way to scare people into doing something. That IMO is wrong. They damage the message, as seen here, with their delivery. Personally, I've been so preoccupied and put off by preachers that preach sermons in that manner that I never heard anything they had to say. So all that yelling and getting beet red in the face did absolutely nothing for me to understand or like or make me come closer to understanding any religion.
Same idea behind Jehova's Witnesses. They put people in such awkward and uncomfortable positions that even if their message was correct, it would get lost in the translation.
You can't shove spirituality down anyone's throat, they'll choke on it and spit it back up at you. That IMO is the mistake many churches and preachers and even people make when discussion religion to someone else.
Yes, there is black and white. Yes, there are methods to the madness. Yes, there are consequences......but that doesn't always mean you have hit someone with a 2X4 with those things written on it for them to understand it and make a decision about it.
nice post, +1
VERY well said. Some1 who sees where I am coming from. I perfer to be TAUGHT that scared. I can "scare" some1 into smoking crack, that doesn't mean that it's a good thing. Those preachers have a "gimmick"... rather than fear HELL and abide, I'd rather be GOD-fearing and abide. 2 totally different concepts --> a lot of preachers are missing the mark.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
nicely put!
grand prix.....
A lot of negative stigma that surrounds "religion" comes from those misinterpreted deliveries.
If you visit a "church" and see this preacher up behind a pulpit, slamming down a bible, screaming, turning red, and saying you either change/repent/or you'll go to HELL!!!! It leaves the wrong impression about what God really teaches, although again technically the message is right.
There is a time and a place where every single Christian will be tested about their faith. Those times are the times where black and white, right and wrong, and what you TRULY believe in will HAVE to show. If it gets heated THEN, so be it. But you shouldn't go around slamming Bibles into people's faces all the time to get results. Our job is to learn and teach, period. It is not to condemn people for not agreeing with us, that is judging and only one can do that.
Hell I had faith Pat Robertson was in that helicopter. But did God come through? Fuck no. Bitch
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