Grades vs Success

[tony]

Since apparently everyone has read my thread I figured I should post a reply. Yeah I am in all honors and AP classes and C's are not something that come up on my grades. This was not an ordinary occurence and the only reason my dad punishes me is because of his background. His father was a jack ass about grades because my dad only had his brains going for him. That worked for him because he works for EADS now and is making enough money for me, my sister, and him to all own M3's. The problem is this. I'm in no way like him. I am a year round swimmer and practice twice-a-day every day. Duke has already told me that they want me to be enrolled and GT has sent me letters talking about the swimming, and orchestra that they would like me to participate in. So I guess that gives you a little background. Also, my first car was a Ford Ranger (don't even remember the year) and I earned the M3 through grades and swimming. By the way, just to show you how insane he is I thought you guys should know I'm grounded my entire summer because of a 79.3. Yeah. I think that about all you need to know

I hope you realize that by starting this thread I wasnt trying to bash you in any way, I actually felt bad for the situation. If you are putting forth the effort, drive a BMW and you are a responsible driver at your age with a BMW then that in itself says a lot.

[tony]

Think about it like this.....driving and having a car (especially as a child in school) is a privledge. Not a right. Even as adults, this a privledge. When someone doesn't take care of their responsibilites, you punish them (if you're a respectable parent). How do you punish someone? Take away their privledges. Grade school through high school aren't designed to teach you how to be successful in life in a sense. That's wht colleges are for. So you can go the school of your choice to learn on your specific career choice. Your grade/high schools are to teach you the basics. Your basic maths, sciences, and such. Take science for example. There are too many different fields of science you can go in. So you get your basic science knowledge out in HS and move on to your field in college. Of course, the better your grades, the better shot at college (or a good school) you get. Colleges don't want to waste their time on someone they think is just going to halfway try. That's why parents strive to have their children do their schoolwork and get the B's and A's.

The success rate is better with a college education, but you certainly don't need one to become successful. Look at Julio. In two weeks, I will be making an awesome salary that my college degree has nothing to do with. Later, QD.

But QD, dont you feel that coming out of high school you should be prepared for the world on some level even if you do not plan on going into college? I do not feel the public education system does a great job of accomplishing that.

[Elbow]

I just graduated high school and it was the worse time of my life. I never learned anything that is helping me right now, other then maybe some small computer skills. But it was always sticking to the book basically, I guess some teachers are different. I do think though life experiences will provide better success in life. I am going to college, but still life experience to me is better then eduaction.

[quickdodge®]

No. I don't think it's the school's job. That should be your parents. They should be the ones that guide you through life as far as being a go-getter or just life-lessons itself. Who's usually the fault if a child goes the way of the darkside? Where are the parents when their child is out late at night doing wrong and they don't care or don't want to be bothered with it. Where are the parents when their child is sitting for 5-6-7 hours a day playing video games or such like that? Parents don't get otu and play with their children anymore. Parents don't interact with their children anymore. Too many "babysitters" now to do it for them so they won't have the hassle. That's not the school's job to deal with that. Later, QD.

[Z33_kid]

o well the kid is lucky his parents bought him a bmw i cant even get a ek hatch from them unless its my money n im a C,B student

[Julio]

I'd say 50k a year is average.

Then That means, theres alot of less then average people in this Country.

Btw, If I remember corectly the Median Average Salary in GA is 24 k .

http://www.payscale.com/salary-survey/aid-6841

pretty sad.

[Elbow]

The parents do have a job of that, but I was saying the teachers can put their lessons to real world subjects for better understanding and better learning. They could also go out of the way to give more info other then JUST in the book.

[Dragonfly5338]

Then That means, theres alot of less then average people in this Country.

Btw, If I remember corectly the Median Average Salary in GA is 24 k .

http://www.payscale.com/salary-survey/aid-6841

pretty sad.

Are you talking median salary or average salary? Because they're two different things.

[Julio]

Are you talking median salary or average salary? Because they're two different things.

I understand. What Im saying is, Theres less average and more median.. get it? maybe a little confusion there the way I said it.

[chameleon30038]

I didn't learn shit in AP classes.. Onli a GPA boost

Same here!!

[Dragonfly5338]

I understand. What Im saying is, Theres less average and more median.. get it? maybe a little confusion there the way I said it.

No, I'm not quite sure I get what you're trying to say. :confused: Less average and more median?

[Julio]

No, I'm not quite sure I get what you're trying to say. :confused: Less average and more median?

yeah.. hehe.. MOre Broke ass people in this country then anything else.

[Dragonfly5338]

yeah.. hehe.. MOre Broke ass people in this country then anything else.

Hehehe, no I was trying to say that you can't compare median salary with the average salary, since the two are different measures of central tendency.

[Sibious]

i have noticed a big difference in schools fomr georgia to wa schools. moving here my senior year i noticed that the schools in ga move towards academics(since the state is so low in scores) but noticed that u are pushed into things that nesscaerailly have a say or idea into what u want to do. the way they do diploma's in ga is BS. tech/ college prep WTF. what happen to just a diploma. well i can og on for ever. i noticed that schools is are very favored towards students and peeps get away with alot.

[Dominic49]

lotsa cheaters in the dirty south....

[xxrealmsxx]

Wondering what you guys think about this.. I saw a thread here where a parent is going to take their sons car away and sell it because the kid is getting C's in school.

To me punishing a child for grades that are average is useless to me. Straight D's and F's is one thing but my take on it is, most schools do not teach you shit about life skills. I never learned about credit or personal finance in school, I didnt know about mortgages or federal taxes being taken out of my paycheck.. investing... none of it.

I'll preface this to say that school is very important, especially as it pertains to certain professions BUT not everyone cares to be a straight A student. Personally I learn more from experience than I do in a classroom. I barely graduated high school with a 1.9gpa and basically flunked out of college but I still consider myself to be pretty well off considering where I am in my life and I have never looked back.

So again I'm wondering what other people think, is school really that important or is it possible to be educated through life experience?

I think school is important as a learning ground, but you learn a lot more than simply just getting grades. Social interaction, doing things you dont like to get the end you want (studying to make the cut for something else etc), and dealing with authority are all important and hard to learn elsewhere.

Furthermore, It is possible to be educated through life experience, however the people in control in society (graduates of institutions) dictate that you have to be one of them to be successful or be on your own completley. Although one can be educated without school, school proves or at least ups the chances that you really are educated (at least in the eyes of others).