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[Tasuki_Civic]

i had a discussion with a friend about the purpose in life as a chrisitan.


i dont understand why there are so many rules about this religion and all you have to do is ask god for your forgiviness and you will go to heaven.


ive been told from many pple that even if you are a natural born killer for years and get caught. then before you get fried in the pin you ask for forgiviness pple say that you wil still go to heaven.

so whats the point if you have sex before marriage, drink, smoke, and even try to kill yourself and you still go to heaven? just make sure you do it before you die so you wont go to hell.

theres no purpose for all the rules in the religion that stops you from doing all this and its just simple to ask. the only secrect about that is you have to mean what you say when you ask for forgivness.


~~Now dont get on me about this. im only asking what you guys think because ive been told this from MANY pple who are chrisitains~~

[metalman]

You have been somewhat misinformed.

First, there are not "so many rules" in true Christianity. Some churches have added all numbers of man made rules to Gods religion, something Christ admonished His followers against.

Secondly, willful sin and repentance as one willful act gets one no where near heaven.
That is a nonsensical roman catholic notion that has "infected" many so-called christain churches.

Its true that any sin can be forgiven, except one, BUT no one will fool the only perfect Judge when it comes to willful sin and insincere phony repentance.

That being said, it is also true that a murderer or similar wicked person can repent and be forgiven but that act MUST be genuine, not some plan to sneak it in before death. Thats neither logical or Biblical.

True repentance involves more then saying "I am sorry"

God calls for mankind to repent AND turn from ALL sin....immediately.

"Choose ye THIS DAY whom ye will serve...."

"Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live."

"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die."


"Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God..."

[Tasuki_Civic]

You have been somewhat misinformed.

First, there are not "so many rules" in true Christianity. Some churches have added all numbers of man made rules to Gods religion, something Christ admonished His followers against.

Secondly, willful sin and repentance as one willful act gets one no where near heaven.
That is a nonsensical roman catholic notion that has "infected" many so-called christain churches.

Its true that any sin can be forgiven, except one, BUT no one will fool the only perfect Judge when it comes to willful sin and insincere phony repentance.

That being said, it is also true that a murderer or similar wicked person can repent and be forgiven but that act MUST be genuine, not some plan to sneak it in before death. Thats neither logical or Biblical.

True repentance involves more then saying "I am sorry"

God calls for mankind to repent AND turn from ALL sin....immediately.

"Choose ye THIS DAY whom ye will serve...."

"Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live."

"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die."


"Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God..."

im not trying to be a smart ass so dont take it as that. but im not looking for someone to quote the bible. i would like your actually insite of it. those who quote books dont have a mind of their own. with messages from the bible you have to de-code them to even understand some of it.

i do understand all the things that you have to be true to your heart when you ask for forgiviness. but ok....hitler for example. you know what he had done. but yet lets say 2 weeks before he died he was true when he meant that he was sorry for the awful things he had done and yadda yadda yadda.........then someone kills him. WILL HE GO TO HEAVEN??

another example. i cannot remember who this killer was, but he apparantly killed over a dozen pple. but the day of his death which he was put in the chair. the pple who were the witnesses saw him pray and ask for forgiveness and the witnesses swore up and down even ( strong belief chirstians) that he went to heaven.

so whats the difference you go to heaven if you ask for forgivness a couple of days before you die? or you will go to heaven no matter what time as long as you ask for forgiviness before you die?


i know i have like 5 questions in one but....is the purpose of life as a christian to live good and pray and always ask for forgivness jus so we can go to heaven? is living a punishment so we can show god that we are loyal and then when we show that we are ( though life) we go to heaven to be with god?

what purpose does it serve to live life? when its a sin to kill one that has hurt you badly or it is a sin to have a child before marrige.

why not live to be one with yourself praise a god and not worship jesus. yes he died for our sins but what does that mean eactly. i thught jesus was a teacher authority didnt like and then they killed him cause he had too much power.( MLK JFK and so on) ( thats just the jist of it, didnt want to go into detailed cause ive already wrote enough)

and how can you actualy believe all the stories like lusapher(sorry cant spell it) the devil and god how they are against each other.why out of all things is he a snake? why not a snail or a bird? jus for that my grandmother hates snake anything!! because of the bible. and they are just as deadly as any other animal? alot of pple say " well thats just how it is" " god made it like that and thats what the book says" but these days pple dont believe everything that is written in a book. and bibbles are re-made every few years. How do you really know what Jesus has really done or said.

like that one guy that was on Oprah that wrote a fiction book and he swore up and down it was still a non-fiction book. pple had an outrage it was all over the news and cnn.

im not against christianity or any religion but alot ...and i mean alot of pple who are believe that any other religion is a fake and is not the true story....they even feel offensive when a person says they are catholic or muslim like they are beneath them.

but isnt there a famous quote " He who wins the war, writes the book"

[metalman]

im not trying to be a smart ass so dont take it as that. but im not looking for someone to quote the bible. i would like your actually insite of it. those who quote books dont have a mind of their own. with messages from the bible you have to de-code them to even understand some of it.

If you ask a Biblical question from me, expect to get the Bible as part of the answer.

i do understand all the things that you have to be true to your heart when you ask for forgiviness. but ok....hitler for example. you know what he had done. but yet lets say 2 weeks before he died he was true when he meant that he was sorry for the awful things he had done and yadda yadda yadda.........then someone kills him. WILL HE GO TO HEAVEN??

First, theres no evidence that Hitler ever repented for anything. Secondly. the evidence STRONGLY suggests he did not. Thirdly, NO ONE is able to say who is "right with God" except for God Himself.

As to your question, God takes no peasure in the destruction of the wicked unrepentant sinner. He will forgive anyone....even YOU, even ME.
Its odd how some (maybe not you) even use Gods infinte mercy "against" Him when they should be THANKFUL for it! Without it, NONE of US would exist.
People like Hitler are but one individual in the big picture of the problem when it comes to sin.

another example. i cannot remember who this killer was, but he apparantly killed over a dozen pple. but the day of his death which he was put in the chair. the pple who were the witnesses saw him pray and ask for forgiveness and the witnesses swore up and down even ( strong belief chirstians) that he went to heaven.

so whats the difference you go to heaven if you ask for forgivness a couple of days before you die? or you will go to heaven no matter what time as long as you ask for forgiviness before you die?

Those people would have no way of knowing whether this person was "right with God". The thing one must remember is that God judges on the INTENTIONS of the HEART...Not just what was said last. If ones INTENTION is to keep sinning as long as possible its safe to say they wont be saved. If they are TRULY sorry and repent before God in sincerity then they may be saved.....regardless of their sin.

i know i have like 5 questions in one but....is the purpose of life as a christian to live good and pray and always ask for forgivness jus so we can go to heaven? is living a punishment so we can show god that we are loyal and then when we show that we are ( though life) we go to heaven to be with god?

We are fortunate to even exist. God could have wiped out mankind after the first sin. Instead, He sent His Son to die in our stead and give EVERY human that WANTS to live, eternal life. To obtain that gift one must only REPENT, TURN FROM their sin, and acknowlege Christ as their Saviour. Christ explained that process to a man He met, He told him to be "born again"....that is to say, repent, turn from sin, and by the POWER OF GOD live a new life.

Our life on earth, the fruits of it, show each day whether we walk with God or not. God will make an utter end of sin. BUT, He wishes to save all that desire Him IF they repent. Our actions, our deeds, our intentions (heart) show whether we truly have that desire and prove to all the Universe that God is merciful in saving us, a bunch of wretched sinners.

and how can you actualy believe all the stories like lusapher(sorry cant spell it) the devil and god how they are against each other.why out of all things is he a snake? why not a snail or a bird? jus for that my grandmother hates snake anything!! because of the bible. and they are just as deadly as any other animal? alot of pple say " well thats just how it is" " god made it like that and thats what the book says" but these days pple dont believe everything that is written in a book. and bibbles are re-made every few years. How do you really know what Jesus has really done or said.

like that one guy that was on Oprah that wrote a fiction book and he swore up and down it was still a non-fiction book. pple had an outrage it was all over the news and cnn.

im not against christianity or any religion but alot ...and i mean alot of pple who are believe that any other religion is a fake and is not the true story....they even feel offensive when a person says they are catholic or muslim like they are beneath them.

but isnt there a famous quote " He who wins the war, writes the book"

Belief in the Word of God is something all must wrestle with. Many, if not most, do not believe in God or His Word. However, the majority consensus on any fact changes nothing with regard to that fact.

If one wants to know whether Gods Word is true one only needs to HONESTLY SEEK to know. I can tell you from my own experience...they WILL find out. God desires that we seek Him so that He can reveal Himself to us personally in a way that reaches and touches us as individuals. Some here have testified that certain sinful addictions and habits they used to be plagued with they no longer struggle with. God has touched them in a personal way. He can do the same for ANYONE.

[efman]

You have been somewhat misinformed.

First, there are not "so many rules" in true Christianity. Some churches have added all numbers of man made rules to Gods religion, something Christ admonished His followers against.

Secondly, willful sin and repentance as one willful act gets one no where near heaven.
That is a nonsensical roman catholic notion that has "infected" many so-called christain churches.

Its true that any sin can be forgiven, except one, BUT no one will fool the only perfect Judge when it comes to willful sin and insincere phony repentance.

That being said, it is also true that a murderer or similar wicked person can repent and be forgiven but that act MUST be genuine, not some plan to sneak it in before death. Thats neither logical or Biblical.

True repentance involves more then saying "I am sorry"

God calls for mankind to repent AND turn from ALL sin....immediately.

"Choose ye THIS DAY whom ye will serve...."

"Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live."

"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die."


"Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God..."

i like what you said ! its more than forgivng its aknowledgeing that he sent his only son to die on the cross for you, sorry for bad spelling

[ShooterMcGavin]

it's all based on faith and one's relationship w/god so to speak as those in question and god are the only ones who know if they are truly sorry/repentent for their sins. no way for anyone else to know who actually went to hell and who didn't (such as serial killers and the like that repented for their sins before their death).

[4dmin]

i had a discussion with a friend about the purpose in life as a chrisitan.


i dont understand why there are so many rules about this religion and all you have to do is ask god for your forgiviness and you will go to heaven.


ive been told from many pple that even if you are a natural born killer for years and get caught. then before you get fried in the pin you ask for forgiviness pple say that you wil still go to heaven.

so whats the point if you have sex before marriage, drink, smoke, and even try to kill yourself and you still go to heaven? just make sure you do it before you die so you wont go to hell.

theres no purpose for all the rules in the religion that stops you from doing all this and its just simple to ask. the only secrect about that is you have to mean what you say when you ask for forgivness.


~~Now dont get on me about this. im only asking what you guys think because ive been told this from MANY pple who are chrisitains~~

just think you could be sitting next to hitler in heaven :jerkit:

[metalman]

just think you could be sitting next to hitler in heaven :jerkit:

Actually not. Hitler committed suicide, his last act was a sin, thats not how one gets to heaven.

[4dmin]

Actually not. Hitler committed suicide, his last act was a sin, thats not how one gets to heaven.

umm he was found w/ a gun shot to the head if i'm not mistaken and his mistress died by poison.. so there is speculation on how he died, so it is ver possible someone else shot him. so like i said in the previous post as suggested... who knows? have you been to heaven to check to see? ok.

[Romeyo07]

Actually not. Hitler committed suicide, his last act was a sin, thats not how one gets to heaven.

sorry but you're wrong. If my last act is sin, I'm still forgiven and covered by His blood. No where in the bible does it state that, and I know you can't prove it.

Reason being, we sin and don't even know it...since there aren't any different levels of sin, my sin of having rage when someone cuts me off in traffic is no different than my sin of commiting suicide. I go home and live my life and act as if nothing happened later. Not once in the bible does it say anything going to hell for commiting suicide. The only thing that sends you to hell is the rejection of Jesus.

[Tasuki_Civic]

sorry but you're wrong. If my last act is sin, I'm still forgiven and covered by His blood. No where in the bible does it state that, and I know you can't prove it.

Reason being, we sin and don't even know it...since there aren't any different levels of sin, my sin of having rage when someone cuts me off in traffic is no different than my sin of commiting suicide. I go home and live my life and act as if nothing happened later. Not once in the bible does it say anything going to hell for commiting suicide. The only thing that sends you to hell is the rejection of Jesus.

really i didnt know. other plpe have told me differently as if it is in the bible. is that one of the man made rules ...commiting suicide?

[ShooterMcGavin]

sorry but you're wrong. If my last act is sin, I'm still forgiven and covered by His blood. No where in the bible does it state that, and I know you can't prove it.

Reason being, we sin and don't even know it...since there aren't any different levels of sin, my sin of having rage when someone cuts me off in traffic is no different than my sin of commiting suicide. I go home and live my life and act as if nothing happened later. Not once in the bible does it say anything going to hell for commiting suicide. The only thing that sends you to hell is the rejection of Jesus.

i retract my statement as you are correct on this, i had forgotten the whole "suicide leads to hell" thing comes from catholicism

[metalman]

sorry but you're wrong. If my last act is sin, I'm still forgiven and covered by His blood. No where in the bible does it state that, and I know you can't prove it.

s.

Ahh yes...you must subscribe to the false teaching of "once saved always saved"...thats fine by me but NOT Biblical.

Saul wasnt "covered by the blood" BECAUSE he obviously died UNREPENTED.
The reason one can know this is that if one truly REPENTs of sin, they wont end their life by killing themselves, which is a sin.
No unrepentant sinner will ever enter heaven. The Bible teaches that clearly...maybe you havent found that yet.

"The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE......" (forever)

[ShooterMcGavin]

Ahh yes...you must subscribe to the false teaching of "once saved always saved"...thats fine by me but NOT Biblical.

Saul wasnt "covered by the blood" BECAUSE he obviously died UNREPENTED.
The reason one can know this is that if one truly REPENTs of sin, they wont end their life by killing themselves, which is a sin.
No unrepentant sinner will ever enter heaven. The Bible teaches that clearly...maybe you havent found that yet.

"The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE......" (forever)

can't say i agree with u here, here's an excerpt taken from bible.com about suicide:

Do all those who kill themselves go to Hell?

Some people believe that all who commit suicide go immediately to Hell. However, the Bible never says if this is the case. The Bible is silent on this issue. God probably did not address it in black in white for a good reason. If we knew that we would still go to Heaven if we killed ourselves, there would probably be a lot more suicides taking place than there already are. However, if we knew that all who killed themselves were automatically banished to Hell, no matter what their situation, it may be too much for the grief-stricken family and friends to bear. Murder and suicide are not unpardonable sins. The only unforgivable sins are rejecting Christ (Mark 16:16) and blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

(Mark 3:28-29 KJV) Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

All other sins can be forgiven. However, anyone contemplating suicide may be in danger of going to Hell, as their relationship with the Lord is not intact at that point. Those who would consider suicide may have a severed relationship with Christ and therefore they would enter the real Hell--which is worse than the hellish feelings they are experiencing at the momen

doesn't look to me that it's written in written in stone anywhere about whether one goes to hell for sure by committing suicide.

[Romeyo07]

Ahh yes...you must subscribe to the false teaching of "once saved always saved"...thats fine by me but NOT Biblical.

Saul wasnt "covered by the blood" BECAUSE he obviously died UNREPENTED.
The reason one can know this is that if one truly REPENTs of sin, they wont end their life by killing themselves, which is a sin.
No unrepentant sinner will ever enter heaven. The Bible teaches that clearly...maybe you havent found that yet.

"The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE......" (forever)

I repented when I accepted Jesus, and from that moment I am covered by his blood. I do not have to repent and confess that Jesus is my Lord on a daily basis. If you can lose your salvation, then his death was in vain. He was the perfect sacrifice, which only needed to happen once. Would he have to die again? His death is why its no longer necessary to make sacrifices to cover our sins. If the case is that you must repent after every sin, then what is to happen to those faithful Christians that sin not knowing? Their dedication to Christ meant nothing because they sinned. How would one then know for sure they're going to heaven if they're constantly worried they did something and now they can't go.

It's not in God's nature to have us worry about what he has give to us as a gift. To have some chance we can lose it only causes confusion and uncertanty, two traits that are not of God's nature.

I mentioned before about if you truely accepted Jesus, then suicide isn't something you'd concider. The doctrine of losing salvation is not biblical. Not once does it mention it in the bible. The bible mentions holding onto it, but not once does it say you'll lose it.

Salvation is trusting or believing in, by faith, that Jesus Christ paid for your sins with His blood on the cross of Calvary.

"He that BELIEVETH on the Son hath everlasting life:. . ." John 3:36

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

" NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us,. . ." Titus 3:5

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8,9

. . . him that cometh to me I WILL IN NO WISE CAST OUT." John 6:37

"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand" John 10:28-29b

Sorry man, you're wrong on this, and I can continue to quote scripture that backs it up. Point to me where it says in the bible where I'll lose it.

[ShooterMcGavin]

negatory, he took his own life, no heaven for him.

[4dmin]

negatory, he took his own life, no heaven for him.

yes if that was correct, i've read some conflicting stories on his actual death. ; but again who really knows.

[babygurl]

As Metalman stated, you have to mean that you are sorry for the sins you commited....repentance has to be pure of heart.

And he also stated, that God the perfect Judge knows everything, and that is true.

And as far as the rules, they are guide lines, in life...God also gave us free will to make our own choices....

[metalman]

As Metalman stated, you have to mean that you are sorry for the sins you commited....repentance has to be pure of heart.

And he also stated, that God the perfect Judge knows everything, and that is true.

And as far as the rules, they are guide lines, in life...God also gave us free will to make our own choices....

Thank you for that.

You are very right when you speak of freewill. One "infection" of nonsense among so called Christians its the idea that others must be "pushed", forced by civil law even, to be moral. That is not a Christian principle. Freewill includes the freedom to choose the wrong path, or any path, and the consequenses of that path. That is a true Christian principle.

[ShooterMcGavin]

doesn't matter who swore up and down what the guy ACTED like before he died, no one else knows/knew except him and god.

according to the bible, a christian's time on earth is just a short "pitstop" before making it to heaven where they will enjoy eternal life with god. obviously, to be a good christian, u are supposed to live with good values, morals and do all that a christian is supposed to do.

and don't ask me how i can believe in god and satan (i'm agnostic), it's all based on faith, belief in something that can not be proved scientifically.

[buddha@TeamFX]

In my eyes and what I believe and was taught...You also have to be convicted by god to surender your life to him

[Tasuki_Civic]

In my eyes and what I believe and was taught...You also have to be convicted by god to surender your life to him

you have to be found quilty by god inorder to surender you life to him? what do you mean?

[Tasuki_Civic]

doesn't matter who swore up and down what the guy ACTED like before he died, no one else knows/knew except him and god.

according to the bible, a christian's time on earth is just a short "pitstop" before making it to heaven where they will enjoy eternal life with god. obviously, to be a good christian, u are supposed to live with good values, morals and do all that a christian is supposed to do.

and don't ask me how i can believe in god and satan (i'm agnostic), it's all based on faith, belief in something that can not be proved scientifically.

whats faith to you? so what to you believe scientific values? that everything happened over time and there is no god no maker of this world or human kind. or animal?


ooh and i didnt ask you i was talkin to metalman

[ShooterMcGavin]

whats faith to you? so what to you believe scientific values? that everything happened over time and there is no god no maker of this world or human kind. or animal?


ooh and i didnt ask you i was talkin to metalman

there's a reason i told u i was agnostic (go look it up if u don't know what that is). and if u weren't talkin to me then direct ur post to someone to begin with and stop being a fuckstick about it. plus, why'd u respond with more questions???

[Tasuki_Civic]

doesn't matter who swore up and down what the guy ACTED like before he died, no one else knows/knew except him and god.

according to the bible, a christian's time on earth is just a short "pitstop" before making it to heaven where they will enjoy eternal life with god. obviously, to be a good christian, u are supposed to live with good values, morals and do all that a christian is supposed to do.

and don't ask me how i can believe in god and satan (i'm agnostic), it's all based on faith, belief in something that can not be proved scientifically.

there's a reason i told u i was agnostic (go look it up if u don't know what that is). and if u weren't talkin to me then direct ur post to someone to begin with and stop being a fuckstick about it. plus, why'd u respond with more questions???

shut the hell up you dumb retard im not lookin for a fight or a smartass in this thread. your the one who said

it's all based on faith,

i know what agnostic means and if i didnt i wouldnt have asked you that question. i didnt start the thread for one person ...."IF YOU READ THE THREAD!!!" you would know i was responding to someone else. and also this isnt a thread for you so why would you respond if you are unsure or dont believe in a a higher being. please make yourself useful and stay in the whoreslounge where you belong.

Thank-you

[ShooterMcGavin]

shut the hell up you dumb retard im not lookin for a fight or a smartass in this thread. your the one who said
i know what agnostic means and if i didnt i wouldnt have asked you that question. i didnt start the thread for one person ...."IF YOU READ THE THREAD!!!" you would know i was responding to someone else. and also this isnt a thread for you so why would you respond if you are unsure or dont believe in a a higher being. please make yourself useful and stay in the whoreslounge where you belong.

Thank-you

oooh, dumb retard? what'd you just graduate from the 3rd grade yesterday and copped those terms on your way out? please. i KNOW you didn't start this thread for one person that's why i fuckin posted trying to give you some insight you so desperately craved, if you didn't like it then just ignore it, why try to start some shit by mocking what i had to say? and just because i'm not believer doesn't mean i haven't been around religion for the better part of my life, being exposed to the teachings of the bible. how ignorant of you to think that just because one does not believe, one does not know.

oh and i belong in the whoreslounge? funny coming from you, one who seldom wanders away from the DICK and SHIT posts in the sex and nws sections. with that said, let me end on a verse for you: "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

[Tasuki_Civic]

oooh, dumb retard? what'd you just graduate from the 3rd grade yesterday and copped those terms on your way out? please. i KNOW you didn't start this thread for one person that's why i fuckin posted trying to give you some insight you so desperately craved, if you didn't like it then just ignore it, why try to start some shit by mocking what i had to say? and just because i'm not believer doesn't mean i haven't been around religion for the better part of my life, being exposed to the teachings of the bible. how ignorant of you to think that just because one does not believe, one does not know.

oh and i belong in the whoreslounge? funny coming from you, one who seldom wanders away from the DICK and SHIT posts in the sex and nws sections. with that said, let me end on a verse for you: "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

im not disregaurding you from not believing. lol please i wouldnt do that to anyone thats terrible to do.

i KNOW you didn't start this thread for one person that's why i fuckin posted trying to give you some insight you so desperately craved,

then what was the purpose of me stating who i was speaking to?? none.and thats your fault for reading it out of text. i didnt say it to be sarcastic or to mock you and be rude. you took it that way. I have nothing agaisnt you its you who has something against me because i talk about men the way you talk about women. Who Cares??!!! i simply asked you a question that i was unsure off you didnt have to snapped back and imply as if im stupid. that was you who lashed out 1st not me.

and leave your quotes to yourself your not teaching anyone aything by doing that.

[ShooterMcGavin]

im not disregaurding you from not believing. lol please i wouldnt do that to anyone thats terrible to do.



then what was the purpose of me stating who i was speaking to?? none.and thats your fault for reading it out of text. i didnt say it to be sarcastic or to mock you and be rude. you took it that way. I have nothing agaisnt you its you who has something against me because i talk about men the way you talk about women. Who Cares??!!! i simply asked you a question that i was unsure off you didnt have to snapped back and imply as if im stupid. that was you who lashed out 1st not me.

and leave your quotes to yourself your not teaching anyone aything by doing that.

look, u snapped first telling me u weren't even talkin to me, like i had no business replying to a public post in a public forum? whatever, suit urself if ignorance is ur thing

[Tasuki_Civic]

i mean thte reason why i made this thread is beacause i would like a better understanding and a little insight. if i go to a church MOST will recite out the book. i want to know what it means. in a way it has to be broken down a little to me because many pple go by what things are and not know why

[Romeyo07]

man made myth...and large debate in Christian society. I was raised to believe the same thing, but have yet to find evidence in the bible where it states that if you die in sin you go to hell. If that's the case, then EVERYONE will go to hell, since we sin without knowing it.

Tasuki, in lamens terms...when someone comes to Christ the next thing you do is absolutely nothing. Don't stop your habits, your way of life, etc. God makes the changes in us, which is why I don't do drugs anymore, swear like a sailor, etc. I'm far from perfect, but its ok. God will only make the changes in you if you truely desire to want to change.

I was tired of the drama with my x, the late night drinking binges, random immorality, etc. I lived the same life many people live now. I just don't feel like doing that stuff anymore. I no longer crave needing to smoke a blunt after a bad day, or cussing out the people who cut me off, etc.

The bible isn't a set of rules, it's a map.

I'm on AIM if you wanna talk: Romeyo07

[Tasuki_Civic]

i gotcha

[Romeyo07]

wow, that was easy

[Romeyo07]

its a weird situation, on the one hand, you're forgiven of your sins....but on the other if you've truely accepted Jesus, then suicide usually isn't something you'd consider. It's the afternoon and my brain hurts...I'll start thinking again tomorrow.

[ShooterMcGavin]

indeed, still sickening to know that there's a possibility that someone like hitler could indeed be sitting in heaven right now...

[Romeyo07]

what's more sick...if he's really there, or that if he was a Christian (which I don't believe he was), that he's also forgiven.

Should someone not be allowed into heaven simply because their sin was made public? What if Charles Manson became a Christian? Should he not be allowed in because of the things he's done? If this was the case, then no one would go to heaven. When it comes to sin, it's black and white, no gray. All sin is at one level, with no sin greater or lesser than another. We've all done rotten things before, I don't care who you are or how good you think you are. That's the best part about being Christian, is knowing that you're accepted, regardless of your past.

[ShooterMcGavin]

^^^exactly, which in some ways is another contributing factor to me being on the fence. i'm very much a logical type person, i believe in right and wrong and logic tells me that one should be held responsible in every way for doing sick things (murder, rape, etc). to think that they could be excused is something that i can't quite come to grips with, at least not yet.

[Romeyo07]

Its not excused, it's forgiven. You forgive your child from stealing from the cookie jar, but he's still grounded for doing it. It works the same way with God. Though I am forgiven, I do pay the consequence of my actions.

[ShooterMcGavin]

correct, but in the christian religion, those consequences are knowing that u have failed god/jesus. to me, it's hard to believe that some so called christians who have spent their lives doing less than great things are actually "paying for those consequences" in an acceptable manner. however, i regress, as if god finds it acceptable, then it should be good enough for everyone else...

[Romeyo07]

God doesn't put that guilt in us, we put it there ourselves. That's not our pennance. In fact, God wants us to "move on" when we recognize that we've done wrong. When He forgives, He forgets.

I'm not too sure I get you on "to me, it's hard to believe that some so called christians who have spent their lives doing less than great things are actually "paying for those consequences" in an acceptable manner".

Sin in not acceptable, but forgivable. He'll never accept sin, just forgive it. As far as paying for our crimes, that's why we have gov't in place. God wants us to follow the laws of man (i.e. gov't law, etc.)

[ShooterMcGavin]

what i meant by that was, i don't think some have paid for it in our society, according to our laws, in a sufficient manner. not to mention there are ones out there who are able to slip through the net of the law, those who never truly pay for their sins even during the time which they are on earth.