Quote Originally Posted by Romeyo07
I was raised to believe that you can lose your salvation. After being "saved" and then going "lost" does not mean you are forgotten. All that you mentioned above regard turn away from what Jesus calls us to do, but doesn't say anything about rejecting us after we have accepted him. He knows we will fall, and fail, time and time again. At those moments, are you saying that we're not saved?
I am not saying anything...I am only pointing you to what God says.

Thats the thing that churches with this incomplete view of salvation end up with...the continuous repetition of sin-repent, sin-repent, sin-repent etc. To make up for this they then teach a false gospel of "once saved-always saved" which the Bible CLEARLY does NOT teach. Their "version" of the gospel ROBS it of the POWER. The Bible clearly teaches that one not NEED to continue in sin, it teaches overcoming sin, BY FAITH IN CHRIST, BY HIS POWER alone, not by ones own strength.

See Romans 6.


The biggest battle we fight is within, and I can guarantee you will lose a few times. Again, as mentioned before, if I do lose a fight within myself, am I then condemned? Does that make me a bad Christian? Will Jesus cast me away? No. I am forever covered by his blood and forgiven. Once I accept Jesus, God no longer sees my sins, but the blood of Jesus.
Yes, and provision has been made for that HOWEVER, the gospel truth ISNT to continue in your sin, its to overcome! Need the texts???

This does not give me all the right to live a sinful life, but a reason to be grateful. I don't have the desire to do the things I once did, which is evidence of God working in my life.
Exactly! If you have truly accepted Christ, IF you truly let His will be yours, and ask Him to make that happen by His power, HE WILL!! You only have to SUBMIT. Therin lies the "battle", the "war"...its a war with self. The devil would like all to rely on themselves that way he gets the "victory" over that individual.
As you have indicated, you have already seen evidence of this in your life.
But theres more...Gods power isnt weak or incapable....its complete!
As you say, you have no "right" to keep sinning....if you are its beacause you didnt allow Gods will to reign supreme in that instance. Are you then condemned to keep repeating that???? NO! God has the power, He has promised that power to ALL who DESIRE it, He will give it you...do you BELIIEVE that? Do you act upon that belief?? IF you do you cannot be "plucked out of Gods hand" to commit that sin over and over again.


The bible gives you a clear answer on how to become saved (roman road). It doesn't give you an absolute answer on how to lose it. Why should something so important then be left to interpretation rather than a definitive answer? This arguement goes beyond scripture into really understanding God's nature.
Here is where your reasoning falls flat. The Bible DOES tell absolutely how to one can lose their salvation. I have already shared a number of verses which are quite clear....and there is more.

You first implied that suicide can be forgiven. I have shown by Gods Word how that is impossible. One who is living for God and in harmony with His will and has true and complete trust in Him would NEVER kill themselves...regardless of their circumstances. To do so demonstrates they dont TRULY trust God or BELIEVE Him or have submitted to His will. That is the original topic in this thread.

You also asked for verses that show a person can be saved and then become lost. I have given you some. Theyre in there! Dont take my word for it...study for yourself. If you HONESTLY, with open mind, humbly seek Gods will and His truth, HE will show it to you. I know this beyond any shadow of any doubt.

On a more personal note, there is no reason to "fear" if you submit to Christ...totally, holding nothing back, honestly seeking His will, putting all earthly notions aside, all conventional wisdom aside, relying totally on Him.
Its when we seek our own will within His word that we get confused. Any person living up to the light given to them, and is doing so BY HIS gauranteed power has nothing to fear. If you know you fall short somewhere, ask Him for the victory, He will give it to you if youre honest in heart.