is there god w/o the bible?

[4dmin]

is there god w/o the bible? if yes, then what purpose does the bible serve?

Their faith is NOT in the Book itself but in the its Author

Christians do not get their faith from relics

please explain your answer and no BS answering question w/ a question.

[biblethumper]

I do believe that there is a God without the Bible. He has always existed. I also believe that the Bible is there to help us understand why certain things have happened and are to come to happen. The Bible is like a rule book or a text book. You use text books in school to teach you about history or how things come to be. But yes I believe that God does exist without the Bible

[babygurl]

I do believe that there is a God without the Bible. He has always existed. I also believe that the Bible is there to help us understand why certain things have happened and are to come to happen. The Bible is like a rule book or a text book. You use text books in school to teach you about history or how things come to be. But yes I believe that God does exist without the Bible

I agree 100% with your post....

[{X}Echo419]

this is a dumb question

[4dmin]

this is a dumb question

i guess if you have a peanut for brain maybe... but kinda like a child growing up in a room w/ no windows who is made to think a rat is a cat and a cat a rat...

ya sounds crazy doesn't it, but the mind is easy to manipulate. black can be white all depends on the perspective.

[{X}Echo419]

i guess if you have a peanut for brain maybe... but kinda like a child growing up in a room w/ no windows who is made to think a rat is a cat and a cat a rat...

ya sounds crazy doesn't it, but the mind is easy to manipulate. black can be white all depends on the perspective.

sensitive? hmmm

[4dmin]

sensitive? hmmm

nope maybe you should try joing discussions then posting "THIS IS A DUMB QUESTION"

[babygurl]

nope maybe you should try joinINg discussions then posting "THIS IS A DUMB QUESTION"

fixed it for ya! LOL

[ShooterMcGavin]

i guess if you have a peanut for brain maybe... but kinda like a child growing up in a room w/ no windows who is made to think a rat is a cat and a cat a rat...

ya sounds crazy doesn't it, but the mind is easy to manipulate. black can be white all depends on the perspective.

not sure about perspective so much as words, language, communication/interpretation.....i mean, what is BLACK, it is a word we've been taught since the day we were born that ties to a color our brain processes, if we were taught from birth that "black" was in fact "white" (language wise), then that's how we'd always know it as. make sense?

[4dmin]

not sure about perspective so much as words, language, communication/interpretation.....i mean, what is BLACK, it is a word we've been taught since the day we were born that ties to a color our brain processes, if we were taught from birth that "black" was in fact "white" (language wise), then that's how we'd always know it as. make sense?

exactly... but you didn't know black until you were taught it... get my drift. same w/ god. thats why there are many names for god/jesus.. if the christian god was an instinct inside of us then everyone would know of him... there are people all over the world who have no idea who this GOD/JESUS guy is.

[metalman]

this is a dumb question

Ding ding...we have a winner!

God reveals Himself in the creation all around us, even in the delicate systems of our own bodies etc etc etc

It also true that we all have a sense of God Created within us. Concience, the sense of right and wrong is something we're born with. Its only over time that mankind tends to "numb" that sense to a point where he slips into confusion. God has simply given His Word as instruction, a reminder, a help, and insight into our universe and its purpose, and more specificly as a lamp to light ones path so that we not need to fumble around in darkness or confusion.

Believe it or not, people who have no copy of Scripture have been found worshipping God, the Creator, perhaps not with all the details they might enjoy with having the Bible and the insight it provides but in spirit and truth nonetheless, which is all thats truly required.

Sinful mankind in general however clings to the hope and dream that there is no God and no accountability. That dream will only end up a nitemare.

[4dmin]

God reveals Himself in the creation all around us, even in the delicate systems of our own bodies etc etc etc

again creation is another bibical term, so try again.

Believe it or not, people who have no copy of Scripture have been found worshipping God, the Creator, perhaps not with all the details they might enjoy with having the Bible and the insight it provides but in spirit and truth nonetheless, which is all thats truly required.

really there is complete documentation of a civilization of people who just out of the air started worshiping GOD the christian god? amazing really... can i take my boots off now; its getting deep real deep?

[metalman]

Of course some are so deeply confused and numbed that they are unable to recognize the revealed creative power around them. Call it by any name you wish but its there!

As for the other, if you studied more and criticized less you might already know these things. I only share what I have learned, the fact you havent yet learned it is irellevant and not proof of anything other then you don't know about it.

[4dmin]

As for the other, if you studied more and criticized less you might already know these things. I only share what I have learned, the fact you havent yet learned it is irellevant and not proof of anything other then you don't know about it.

wow if you didn't dodge that question i don't know what that was please enlighten all of us w/ your PROOF! bahhh dude you are certainly just grasping at straws now good post you make me laugh.

[biblethumper]

I only share what I have learned, the fact you havent yet learned it is irellevant and not proof of anything other then you don't know about it.

If I remember correctly Paul did learn this. Did you not see the part where he said his father is a religious man? Am I correct?

[metalman]

I think for the time being I will let you dig for that one. Why always continue to spoon feed babies? Let them (you)learn how to eat for themselves. I'll tell you what, why don't you prove that its wrong? Youre always demanding "proof" for everything...put your money with your mouth is!

[4dmin]

I think for the time being I will let you dig for that one. Why always continue to spoon feed babies? Let them (you)learn how to eat for themselves. I'll tell you what, why don't you prove that its wrong? Youre always demanding "proof" for everything...put your money with your mouth is!

already have and you've already made 2 post that = nothing so i'm doing pretty dayum good.

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maybe you should try the whoreslounge and allow us adults to continue our conversations, i mean if you dont' have anything to add there is no reason for your post. atleast i can invoke question/answer your merely posting for count and nothing else. its amazing you try to act almighty but your acting like a fool right now.

[metalman]

What? Still no proof??????

I know what I have read and seen. If you don't believe it thats fine.

Go ahead...I give reasons and proof all the time in this forum. You rarely give proof for anything...just your opinion of what others give. Go ahead...get some proof for a change

[4dmin]

What? Still no proof??????

I know what I have read and seen. If you don't believe it thats fine.

Go ahead...I give reasons and proof all the time in this forum. You rarely give proof for anything...just your opinion of what others give. Go ahead...get some proof for a change

wow your 0/3 now... ouch! Ok let me give proof of something that doesn't exsist... here is what metalman is refering to... i found his proof...



^^^ ok see there it is i found metalmans proof... i'm so sorry you were correct, man i guess i need to just research more than asking questions.

[babygurl]

What? Still no proof??????

I know what I have read and seen. If you don't believe it thats fine.

Go ahead...I give reasons and proof all the time in this forum. You rarely give proof for anything...just your opinion of what others give. Go ahead...get some proof for a change

How about instead of being a jackass you actually show proof of your findings, why not post up the Scripture, or at least the chapters and pages of your findings. Christians educate rather than put down. And Paul may have his opinons, but it seems to be that he wants to learn. So enlighten him or go away. But you are proving him right about religion rather than trying to educate.

Im sorry but as a Christian your attitude sucks, You are letting your male ego, get in place rather then being an adult, and showing proof.

[metalman]

How about instead of being a jackass you actually show proof of your findings, why not post up the Scripture, or at least the chapters and pages of your findings. Christians educate rather than put down. And Paul may have his opinons, but it seems to be that he wants to learn. So enlighten him or go away. But you are proving him right about religion rather than trying to educate.

Im sorry but as a Christian your attitude sucks, You are letting your male ego, get in place rather then being an adult, and showing proof.

I show & give proof all the time. I post Scripture, historical fact, scientific facts etc etc all the time. Paul (for the most part) doesnt. I am only saying he should for a change. Even Paul has stated that I am a "wealth of knowlege" on matters of theology. Obviously that was because I posted some thoughtful answers and points.
If you dont undertsand that perhaps its because you havent been part of the many lengthy disscussions we've had here where Paul often brought nothing to the table other then his feelings about others proof. He always demands proof but rarely brings any. So....I am saying how it about bringing some for a change.

Am I the only one "obligated" to prove things?? I don't think so.

[Hulud]

Am I the only one "obligated" to prove things?? I don't think so.

when you say theres proof yes

[biblethumper]

If you need help with the scriptures Metal I can help ya with that. So if they want scripture throw it out to them.

[4dmin]

hey guys you can't use scripture to back up this topic...

remember god w/o the bible? that is the question you can't use something as proof if it doesn't exsist. thanx for the post.

[man]

is there science w/o textbooks and documentation?

[4dmin]

is there science w/o textbooks and documentation?

don't answer a question w/ a question... and YES is the answer. simple you eat you poop. No text needed, yet you just learn anatomy Ok now that i have presented my answer you should do the same.

[man]

don't answer a question w/ a question... and YES is the answer. simple you eat you poop. No text needed, yet you just learn anatomy Ok now that i have presented my answer you should do the same.

I didn't attempt to answer your question and you were unsuccessful at answering mine. I would love to see someone learn physics w/o any outside help.

[Hulud]

I didn't attempt to answer your question and you were unsuccessful at answering mine. I would love to see someone learn physics w/o any outside help.

this is off topic but what the hell are those cats doin in your sig? LOLOL

[man]

this is off topic but what the hell are those cats doin in your sig? LOLOL

Rugby, lol

[biblethumper]

That there is a good question fc.....


I only mentioned scripture cause babygurl did! heheheheh

[babygurl]

That there is a good question fc.....


I only mentioned scripture cause babygurl did! heheheheh

I meant to say in the other post my bad! What can I say I hang around too many blondes!

[biblethumper]

Too many blondes eh Babygurl. I hang around with people that have anger issues and cant keep their hands of there other half lol

[babygurl]

Too many blondes eh Babygurl. I hang around with people that have anger issues and cant keep their hands of there other half lol

there are called love taps! HAHAHA

[Xan]

If all christians ceased to be and all bibles and texts and reminders of "god" as we see him were destroyed then yes. God would be FORGOTTEN because none would remain to talk about him. However, that doesn't change the FACT that there COULD be a God/creator/omnipotent being. Just because you can't physically see something doesn't mean it isn't there. We don't see the wind blow, but we know it's there. We feel it's presense and it has a real, lasting effect on the world around us.

I once heard that God isn't there to explain to us why things happen. Rather he is there to help us when they do. His promise is that he will be there for his followers through thick and thin, hell or high water. I personally feel he is given too much credit, but that's my perogative. You ask for proof that God exists and every Christian you encounter will ask you for proof that he doesn't. As of right now, neither of those questions can be answered. That is why religion is a FAITH based affair.

Lastly, worship cannot come without faith. No one places faith in the Bible period. People place faith in God.

[babygurl]

If all christians ceased to be and all bibles and texts and reminders of "god" as we see him were destroyed then yes. God would be FORGOTTEN because none would remain to talk about him. However, that doesn't change the FACT that there COULD be a God/creator/omnipotent being. Just because you can't physically see something doesn't mean it isn't there. We don't see the wind blow, but we know it's there. We feel it's presense and it has a real, lasting effect on the world around us.

I once heard that God isn't there to explain to us why things happen. Rather he is there to help us when they do. His promise is that he will be there for his followers through thick and thin, hell or high water. I personally feel he is given too much credit, but that's my perogative. You ask for proof that God exists and every Christian you encounter will ask you for proof that he doesn't. As of right now, neither of those questions can be answered. That is why religion is a FAITH based affair.

Lastly, worship cannot come without faith. No one places faith in the Bible period. People place faith in God.

Very good points...but The words that are in the bible you have faith in Because God wrote them? is that not correct?

[Xan]

Very good points...but The words that are in the bible you have faith in Because God wrote them? is that not correct?

I'm not a Christian and I could care less for the Bible, but some form of God would exist without it. The question this thread is about should pobably be "Does Christianity exist without the Bible?" The answer to that would most definitely be no. All the teachings and stuff that the Christian God passed down are contained within it. As for the Bible being a relic. Don't relics usually have to be one of a kind? Seeing as how the cross is the most well known shape on Earth and the Bible is the most printed and revised book in human history wouldn't that make them a tool of sorts. Besides, the Bible has something to offer to those willing to read it and accept it's teachings. Relics(i.e. meteors, obelisks, statues and shit)offer nothing in the way of enlightenment. Hell, the cross is used primarily for identification.

[metalman]

, the Bible has something to offer to those willing to read it and accept it's teachings. Relics(i.e. meteors, obelisks, statues and shit)offer nothing in the way of enlightenment. .

Bingo!!

Some don't understand that difference and therefore they see the Bible as "old" therefore it is a "relic" and anyone who reads an "old" book is worshiping a "relic"...using a dictionary to arrive at this conclusion rather then an understanding of what worship truly is.

As I explained in painful detail, there is a HUGE difference in accepting good counsel and worshiping the pages upon which that counsel is written.

If my dad wrote and told you how to fix your broken car I bet you'd appreciate that and you might take his advice and benefit from his word but you wouldnt worship the server/book/paper/letter etc where it was written.

[4dmin]

If all christians ceased to be and all bibles and texts and reminders of "god" as we see him were destroyed then yes. God would be FORGOTTEN because none would remain to talk about him. However, that doesn't change the FACT that there COULD be a God/creator/omnipotent being. Just because you can't physically see something doesn't mean it isn't there. We don't see the wind blow, but we know it's there. We feel it's presense and it has a real, lasting effect on the world around us.

I once heard that God isn't there to explain to us why things happen. Rather he is there to help us when they do. His promise is that he will be there for his followers through thick and thin, hell or high water. I personally feel he is given too much credit, but that's my perogative. You ask for proof that God exists and every Christian you encounter will ask you for proof that he doesn't. As of right now, neither of those questions can be answered. That is why religion is a FAITH based affair.

Lastly, worship cannot come without faith. No one places faith in the Bible period. People place faith in God.

i agree no bible no christian god, but there will always be that what if in ones mind... but i disagree that you think you don't have faith in your bible... christians use it to prove christianity all the time you would have to have faith in the scripture to believe it ; which ultimately is gods word if your christian anyway so hence you have faith in god.

[Xan]

i agree no bible no christian god, but there will always be that what if in ones mind... but i disagree that you think you don't have faith in your bible... christians use it to prove christianity all the time you would have to have faith in the scripture to believe it ; which ultimately is gods word if your christian anyway so hence you have faith in god.

I'm not a christian though. I believe in a greater being, but that's it. Everything I have I have gotten myself. I live my life according to my terms. The Bible and the commandments are too restrictive for my tastes. That's beside the point though. You just said that having faith in a Bible and having faith in what it says are the same thing when they aren't. Christians have faith in the scripture because it is supposedly handed down by their creator. Having faith in the scriptures written by God is the same as having faith in God himself. The scriptures no matter how you present them will always represent the written word of God. You can't take a relic(lets say that meteor that Muslims worship) and replace it with a marshmallow and call it the same.

[4dmin]

I'm not a christian though. I believe in a greater being, but that's it. Everything I have I have gotten myself. I live my life according to my terms. The Bible and the commandments are too restrictive for my tastes. That's beside the point though..

i never said you were christian i replied to your post.

You just said that having faith in a Bible and having faith in what it says are the same thing when they aren't. Christians have faith in the scripture because it is supposedly handed down by their creator. Having faith in the scriptures written by God is the same as having faith in God himself. The scriptures no matter how you present them will always represent the written word of God.

i'm confused... the bible is scripture if you dont' have faith in the bible then you dont have faith in the scripture inside of the bible. which are the word of god. you need to read the definition of FAITH. we've already agreed w/o the bible you would have no christian faith... ok so if you don't have faith in the bible then you don't have faith. that isn't hard to comprehend.

You can't take a relic(lets say that meteor that Muslims worship) and replace it with a marshmallow and call it the same

umm please expand that doesn't make sense.... no one took the bible and replace it w/ a "marshmallow" and said here is your faith.