Spear of Jesus (Discorvery special)

[blacknightteg]

catholics do have idols and what not in their churches but, if i remeber correctly learning this, and knowing it because it is my own faith. Idols were brought back into the catholic church because it was one of those thigns that they had to co-exist with once all the heresy and shunning of the catholic church started to happen. i mean if you look at the nicene (sp?) creed the only reason that that was made was because constantine brought all the bishops of the catholic religion(which still at that time might add was not call the "catholic" church as we think of it) to rome to come up with something that would bring a unity back to the faith, because of all the gnostic and heresy preaching that were being done. and i mean look atht second vatican council, the catholic religion again had to come together to change things so that they can evolve with the day and age. i mean before the vatican 2, every part of a mass was spoken in latin and people felt disrepsected because they couldnt have it heard in their own language.

to me, although i know the catholic church is at the brunt of many discussions, mostly because it is where all of world wide spreading of one religion began. i dont see and or understand why it is brought under such scruitany.


paul, in my opinon, as for the bible. yes you could consider it an idol. but people dont nessisarly(sp?) worship the bible like some people do idols and relics. the bible is mearly used as a tool in a persons faith, where they can go and read things that might comfort, resolve, or help them make sense of something. it is no where near an idol.

[metalman]

catholics do have idols and what not in their churches but, if i remeber correctly learning this, and knowing it because it is my own faith. Idols were brought back into the catholic church because it was one of those thigns that they had to co-exist with once all the heresy and shunning of the catholic church started to happen.
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I have no doubt you have been taught many things with regard to the idolotry in catholic ritual. The church has a lengthy history of putting its own spin on the facts. I am personally familiar with such.

One immense problem for catholics is the notions put forth by the vatican that truth comes FROM the Church rather then from God. Another problem is the notion that to understand Scripture one needs the guidance of the church/priest etc. Both these notions are blatantly false. Another severely incorrect notion is that there is no salvation outside of the catholic church.
This couldnt be further from the truth.

I sincerely aknowlege that catholics have their work cut out for them. To disregard notions placed upon one for their entire life under the pretense of "eternal" hell, damnnation etc is not an easy road. I have close friends that have long struggled to rectify these things in their minds but I can tell you the destination is worth the trip.

All I can say is STUDY FOR YOURSELF. Not catholic propaganda, but study the Word. If anyone really wants to know truth (as opposed to whatever notions theyve been taught) they will find it. This is true for ALL of us.