Originally Posted by metalman
Yes...dinasours used to exist...Jesus still does.
Suuuuuuurrrre....
Yes...dinasours used to exist...Jesus still does.
Suuuuuuurrrre....
ok if jesus did exist, where are the roman documents?
you know cause mary and joseph had to go register (or whatever it was called i cant think of the word) in their home town
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The proof is there...if you do not wish to see it or admit it, thats your choice. From the evidence of Creation to the very concience we ALL have, to the Bible truths that we can prove, and on and on..there more then abundant proof. Of course its no accident that a measure of faith must be excercised. God does require belief, faith, and an excercise of that faith as a test of our loyalty to Him. Sadly, those who dont have it or obtain it won't enjoy anything beyond the misery of this world that we call life. You don't have to believe me if you wish but time will tell, I am more then certain.
Its interesting to me that the very things the Bible predicts about this and the human condition are exactly coming to pass. More proof for any descerning eye.
Time will not tell. Shit will just turn black.
I wonder how many athiest were out to prove that God doesn't exist and ended up finding truth in scripture?? I don't know, but the Bible and it's history (alot of it being Jewish) gives more than enough proof for the "common man" like us all. It's a wonder why people don't look at that and try to find a word spelled wrong and say "HA! SEE, SEE!! I TOLD YOU GOD DOESN'T EXIST!! SO NEITHER DOES JESUS!!"
I could not have said it better.
But seriously, if I got cancer or aids or something then I would consider believing in ghosts and stories to give me hope. Though In my life, the only time I touched a bible was in court, and I am as healthy as an Ox, so I dont need hope or any of that jibbajabba.
When it comes down to it, people will just have opposing beliefs and there is nothing you can do about it. Ok, they've heard our side of the story, we've answered questions, etc...but the choice is theirs to either accept it or disregard it.
Christians need to learn to accept that you're not going to win everyone over. Instead of always trying to work them over, just be their friend like everyone else.
Voya is very good people. Helped me with my clutch master cylinder when I first moved up here. He was the first person I met up here. Does it matter that he doesn't believe what I do? Nope...I'd kick back a beer with him anytime. More Christians should be willing to befriend people than turn them away.
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The fact is that if Jesus Himself came to the GA Dome for a week of seminars and gave proof that He existed and worked requested miracles and responded to ANY question asked there would STILL be a majority of people who would refuse to believe.
It would be no different in 2006 then in AD 30-33.
Its clear from the Bible that God wishes to make an utter end of evil yet save anyone who DESIRES it. He will not save anyone who does not desire it. He has seen fit to give evidence of His Creative power and existence, He has given His sure Word of prophecy, He has given principles that can be tested, He will comfort anyone who desires Him by His Spirit etc etc etc In order to ensure that an utter end of sin and evil is made He requires all believers to not only have a measure of faith but to act upon that faith.
I can tell you from personal experience that the goal of any sincere parent is to gain the love, respect, & obedience of their children, not only when theyre in the room watching in person but when theyre absent. Its no different with our Father, our Creator, He wants our love, respect & obedience even when He's not there in person where we can see Him. When I come home and find one of my children disobeying because I wasn't there in person I reward them accordingly. I give them exactly what they asked for. Same is true with God.
I don't see what is gained by a disbelief if God. Its clear to me as a history buff that mans way is ALWAYS destructive, and it never works out. We in the USA enjoy much that the majority of the world does not. At any given time the majority of the world is in poverty, violence, war, starvation, genocide, etc etc etc etc. Even our own free and rich society is largely given to violence. Given that fact, why anyone would choose to think that mans way will work out and is best is beyond me.
As its been stated before, there is nothing to be lost by belief in Christ and everything to be gained. On the contrary there is everything to be lost by disbelief and nothing to be gained. No one has ever shown me one real benefit from disbelief. Regardless, I respect the God given right of choice of others and as the Bible says, at some point one should simply cast the dust of their feet and move on. And as you have said, be a friend.
Sometimes it just serves better to be a lighthouse rather than a watchtower
Bottom lip shivers. Thanks.
I agree, with with everything you said, and it made me realize Im a bit harsh when I respond to these threads. So I need to turn it down a notch. Thats unless some one is completely brain washed or tries to argue with my belifes or the lack of them. But on the side note, I'll be having a cookout/party this Sat. so let me know if you can make it.
sweet i can make it gimme directions
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shouldnt jesus be brown?
middle east?
stupid guess. i nknow
Most Jewish people that I've met (and worked with) are white. Just not European.
Yeah lemme know what time. I coach my son's soccer team and we've gotta game Sat. Morning. Other than that, I don't think anything else is going on.
thats because people have free choice to believe what they want.
but if you goto palestine and isreal are the people still white there?
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Ethnic Jews and Isrealis tend to be of "ruddy white" complexion. Darker then say an Irishman but not anything like an African.
Of course when people intermarry there are then other varieties of color shades.
they aqrent what you would call white, cause people always refer to the european complex of whiteEthnic Jews and Isrealis tend to be of "ruddy white" complexion. Darker then say an Irishman but not anything like an African.
Of course when people intermarry there are then other varieties of color shades.
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are you really going to debate him over Jesus's tan?
apparently, because back then people werent mixing with others because there was no mass transit. so i would come to believe him to look darker. like how the middle easterns looked before the europeans came in in teh crusades and after the 2 world wars
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he wasn't "middle eastern" he was JEWISH. China and India are pretty damned close shouldn't the Indians and Chinses look the same?
ok so jerusalem isnt in the middle east?
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are that damned dense? "look" middle eastern. ie. he didn't "look like" a typical Iranian or Syrian person. is that clear enough for you?
ok so jerusalem isnt in the middle east?
so what your saying is that he was born in the middle east but he didnt look middle eastern, that makes sense
since he was born from midlle eastern parents i guess god feels that white is superior if his son is going to pop outta some middle eastern lady and be white
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same way Russians look asian. and his parents were Jewish.so what your saying is that he was born in the middle east but he didnt look middle eastern, that makes sense
since he was born from midlle eastern parents i guess god feels that white is superior if his son is going to pop outta some middle eastern lady and be white
russians look asian?same way Russians look asian. and his parents were Jewish.
that was a pretty ignorant statement LOL
his parents were jewish but they were middle eastern whcih means darker skin, it all makes since now, he was albino
got it
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russian -
hmmm white skin, skinny nose, round eyes
asian -
hmmm yellowish skin, flatter nose, slanted eye
yea they look alike
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Hey slick! THAT'S EXACTALLY WHAT I'M SAYING! just because Isreal is in the middle of the middle east(russian -
hmmm white skin, skinny nose, round eyes
asian -
hmmm yellowish skin, flatter nose, slanted eye
yea they look alike
history lesson time, isreal wasnt a country till 1948.Hey slick! THAT'S EXACTALLY WHAT I'M SAYING! just because Isreal is in the middle of the middle east(
but thats beyond the point, the people you see there now are refugees that fled there from all around teh world so todays peopel are not an accurate portrayl of what the population looked like in 8BC
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Who's to say that it wasn't a diversified world then (skin pigmentation, not nationality, etc.) Interracial mixing has never been uncommon.
Ethnic Jewish blood lines have been fairly well preserved throughout the 2k years since Christ. Such people have a tendancy to marry only their own kind, even cousins. The ethnic jews and palestinians I know pretty much all practice this. I think its pretty safe to say that Jesus looked pretty much like the average ethnic jew or palestinian does today. In all honesty it really doesnt matter much how dark or light his skin was. We know he was born an ethnic jew, that should speak for itself.
true, but a white jesus and a white middle east doesnt make sense is all im saying in this thread
its the fat white men making jesus to what they want
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I think we should assassinate the fat men, WHO'S WITH ME?!?!
Awsome a post that shows how destructive organized religion really is
I didn't know that political boarders determined peoples ethnicity.
I think its due to our common conception of what a middle-eastern person looks like. We think Habeeb from the corner store, when it's probably Moshe Goldstein from the law office.
it actually does in this instance because most people that are in isreal werent originally from there, they transplanted there after ww2
I didn't know that political boarders determined peoples ethnicity.
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