Davinci Code

[Georgiaman]

There is no If's, ands, or but's It is all true. Jesus is real .It is real .It is from expierance i have seen. It is not just beliving, but knowing what is true hear me my brothers False is who lies without Jesus................................

[ironchef]

There is no If's, ands, or but's It is all true. Jesus is real .It is real .It is from expierance i have seen. It is not just beliving, but knowing what is true hear me my brothers False is who lies without Jesus................................

Can you provide any examples of him being real? Anything documented, video, audio, something atleast? Saying yea he's real and not backing it up is just so lame.

Its one thing to have strong beliefs in something, but to have such beliefs that you might be seeing things you don't actually see, now thats just oh i dunno borderline psycho.

[Hulud]

There is no If's, ands, or but's It is all true. Jesus is real .It is real .It is from expierance i have seen. It is not just beliving, but knowing what is true hear me my brothers False is who lies without Jesus................................

jesus is not true, god is fake. it is fake. it is from experience i have seen. its no believing but knowing that they are fake.

you see i can say the opposite and its as true as your statement. you cant prove anything by saying it is the point of my comment

[Xan]

There is no If's, ands, or but's It is all true. Jesus is real .It is real .It is from expierance i have seen. It is not just beliving, but knowing what is true hear me my brothers False is who lies without Jesus................................

Lirl. Jesus may be real. Was he who he says he was? I don't think so. Maybe he'll come back some day.

On a more interesting note. I watched a thing on the History channel a few weeks back that was about lucifer and the end of days and shit. Scholars say that Satan will be a loved guy. Hero to some. He will bring the warring states to piece for 3 years before he orders there destruction. This got me to thinking. You'd have to be pretty influential to get that kind of backing. People would really have to love you. Then it hit me. "What about Jesus!?" Jesus founded a whole damn religion. Half the known world follows him. Everyone is anxiously awaiting his return. It's the perfect setup to kill everyone just like the Bible suggests. Anyone else follow?

[metalman]

So you're telling me that the bible has had no effect on how you've lived your life to date and if it turned up false you wouldn't want to go back and change things?

Your question seems based of the false notion that the Bible is some harsh requirement and that one would never follow its priciples except to get eternal life. That couldnt be farther from the truth. The principles of the Bible ONLY benefit the believer and follower of such. I have never met a person who was living up to the principles of Scripture who was miserable. There is only happiness and inner peace from doing so. There is no downside to a personal relationship with ones Creator. People who live their life in harmony with God die with a smile on their face.

My problem with the Bible is that it DOESN'T give you a choice. "He who isn't with me is against me...and going to spend eternity in hell or some jazz." Repent sinners for you do not know the whole truth and will spend an eternity in hell because your Christian brothers were a little slow with the translation. That IMHO is a crock o shit. What about those that came before Christ and his word? what about those that don't want any part of it. If the Bible is law, then it should only apply to it's believers.

If you truly want NO choice go with evolution. We were either created by God or we evolved. If we evolved there is TRULY NO CHOICE but to become extinct with the rest of the human race. No way around that. Its inevitable.
What we currently know about the deterioration of the earth would clearly tell the observer our form of life (human) WILL NOT be sustained here much longer. If you want to have some crazy wild faith that man can save himself go ahead be my guest. Its not possible. With evolution extinction is your ONLY choice.

God does give you choice. If we truly had no individual choice He may have already struck you (and I) dead for disobedience. You can choose to follow the principles of God and His will or follow your own will. You can do whatever you want, people do so everyday. The thing that is bothering them is the ACCOUNTIBILITY. Fact is every choice has its CONSEQUENCES. There is no way to make choices without the consequences of those choices. People WISH they could do whatever they wish to whomever they wish without any consequenses but that shall never be. People can hope for that all they want and it will never happen.

If you choose to follow God by living up to all the light he gives you, whether that be a little or a lot, you have the promise of eternal life. If you choose to follow your own will you have the promise of eternal death. All shall be judged.
Eternal burning torment is a figment of mans imagination. That is not a Biblical teaching. Make no mistake, there is anguish, disapointment, and punishment but the ultimate consequence for following ones own selfish desires is death, not eternal life in burning firery torment.

Also, your characterization of "Christian brothers were a little slow with the translation" being put to a firery death isnt at all what the Bible teaches although perhaps that may or may not be what you were taught. God is the only perfect judge. Every person judged in His court will get EXACTLY what they deserve. He is not willing that any should perish, He reaches out to everyone, many times in ways unique to that person. People either accept Him or do not. No one will fall short based on their knowlege. It's purposefully failing to live up TO the knowlege they DO have that will condemn them.


There is no such thing as "those that came before Christ and his word"
Christ and His Word are eternal. They have always been. He is OUR Creator.
There is no way to NOT have part of something you were created into. That isnt a choice ANYONE has. Fact is without God you wouldnt exist or be alive nor would you ever come to be. Same for all of us. We can either acknowlege our Creator, which seems to be the smart thing to do given the evidence around us, or not. Those are the choices we have.

There is NO way to avoid accountibility. And that is the real issue here.

[~The_Duke~]

Your question seems based of the false notion that the Bible is some harsh requirement and that one would never follow its priciples except to get eternal life. That couldnt be farther from the truth. The principles of the Bible ONLY benefit the believer and follower of such. I have never met a person who was living up to the principles of Scripture who was miserable. There is only happiness and inner peace from doing so. There is no downside to a personal relationship with ones Creator. People who live their life in harmony with God die with a smile on their face.




If you truly want NO choice go with evolution. We were either created by God or we evolved. If we evolved there is TRULY NO CHOICE but to become extinct with the rest of the human race. No way around that. Its inevitable.
What we currently know about the deterioration of the earth would clearly tell the observer our form of life (human) WILL NOT be sustained here much longer. If you want to have some crazy wild faith that man can save himself go ahead be my guest. Its not possible. With evolution extinction is your ONLY choice.

God does give you choice. If we truly had no individual choice He may have already struck you (and I) dead for disobedience. You can choose to follow the principles of God and His will or follow your own will. You can do whatever you want, people do so everyday. The thing that is bothering them is the ACCOUNTIBILITY. Fact is every choice has its CONSEQUENCES. There is no way to make choices without the consequences of those choices. People WISH they could do whatever they wish to whomever they wish without any consequenses but that shall never be. People can hope for that all they want and it will never happen.

If you choose to follow God by living up to all the light he gives you, whether that be a little or a lot, you have the promise of eternal life. If you choose to follow your own will you have the promise of eternal death. All shall be judged.
Eternal burning torment is a figment of mans imagination. That is not a Biblical teaching. Make no mistake, there is anguish, disapointment, and punishment but the ultimate consequence for following ones own selfish desires is death, not eternal life in burning firery torment.

Also, your characterization of "Christian brothers were a little slow with the translation" being put to a firery death isnt at all what the Bible teaches although perhaps that may or may not be what you were taught. God is the only perfect judge. Every person judged in His court will get EXACTLY what they deserve. He is not willing that any should perish, He reaches out to everyone, many times in ways unique to that person. People either accept Him or do not. No one will fall short based on their knowlege. It's purposefully failing to live up TO the knowlege they DO have that will condemn them.


There is no such thing as "those that came before Christ and his word"
Christ and His Word are eternal. They have always been. He is OUR Creator.
There is no way to NOT have part of something you were created into. That isnt a choice ANYONE has. Fact is without God you wouldnt exist or be alive nor would you ever come to be. Same for all of us. We can either acknowlege our Creator, which seems to be the smart thing to do given the evidence around us, or not. Those are the choices we have.

There is NO way to avoid accountibility. And that is the real issue here.

You should go write a book....

[Xan]

Your question seems based of the false notion that the Bible is some harsh requirement and that one would never follow its priciples except to get eternal life. That couldnt be farther from the truth. The principles of the Bible ONLY benefit the believer and follower of such. I have never met a person who was living up to the principles of Scripture who was miserable. There is only happiness and inner peace from doing so. There is no downside to a personal relationship with ones Creator. People who live their life in harmony with God die with a smile on their face.




If you truly want NO choice go with evolution. We were either created by God or we evolved. If we evolved there is TRULY NO CHOICE but to become extinct with the rest of the human race. No way around that. Its inevitable.
What we currently know about the deterioration of the earth would clearly tell the observer our form of life (human) WILL NOT be sustained here much longer. If you want to have some crazy wild faith that man can save himself go ahead be my guest. Its not possible. With evolution extinction is your ONLY choice.

God does give you choice. If we truly had no individual choice He may have already struck you (and I) dead for disobedience. You can choose to follow the principles of God and His will or follow your own will. You can do whatever you want, people do so everyday. The thing that is bothering them is the ACCOUNTIBILITY. Fact is every choice has its CONSEQUENCES. There is no way to make choices without the consequences of those choices. People WISH they could do whatever they wish to whomever they wish without any consequenses but that shall never be. People can hope for that all they want and it will never happen.

If you choose to follow God by living up to all the light he gives you, whether that be a little or a lot, you have the promise of eternal life. If you choose to follow your own will you have the promise of eternal death. All shall be judged.
Eternal burning torment is a figment of mans imagination. That is not a Biblical teaching. Make no mistake, there is anguish, disapointment, and punishment but the ultimate consequence for following ones own selfish desires is death, not eternal life in burning firery torment.

Also, your characterization of "Christian brothers were a little slow with the translation" being put to a firery death isnt at all what the Bible teaches although perhaps that may or may not be what you were taught. God is the only perfect judge. Every person judged in His court will get EXACTLY what they deserve. He is not willing that any should perish, He reaches out to everyone, many times in ways unique to that person. People either accept Him or do not. No one will fall short based on their knowlege. It's purposefully failing to live up TO the knowlege they DO have that will condemn them.


There is no such thing as "those that came before Christ and his word"
Christ and His Word are eternal. They have always been. He is OUR Creator.
There is no way to NOT have part of something you were created into. That isnt a choice ANYONE has. Fact is without God you wouldnt exist or be alive nor would you ever come to be. Same for all of us. We can either acknowlege our Creator, which seems to be the smart thing to do given the evidence around us, or not. Those are the choices we have.

There is NO way to avoid accountibility. And that is the real issue here.

Dag...You just pwned me. Very well stated.

As for the Christ being eternal and everything. What about those that came before the bible and never learned about god?

[CSquared]

Let me teach you all the first lesson in cramerolicism

If there is a god... it all comes down to morality... If you are a shitty person, you will get what you deserve. If you are a decent moral person, you are set.

There are so many religious sects and so many variations that picking one is just rediculous. You're telling me that "god" would say this at the gates?: "Oh sorry John, it appears you lived a clean and moral life under the teachings of buddism. The correct answer was christianity, so make way for charles manson who killed a shit load of people and turned to me after being jailed for his mis-doings... That elevator down the hallway on your right... Take that to the bottom floor... Charles, feel free to grab some refreshments from our juice bar and enjoy the many rollercoasters and water-rides at heaven land."

[Hulud]

If there is a god... it all comes down to morality... If you are a shitty person, you will get what you deserve. If you are a decent moral person, you are set.

and the point of that comment is that i will get to "heaven" before most christians i have met will

There are so many religious sects and so many variations that picking one is just rediculous. You're telling me that "god" would say this at the gates?: "Oh sorry John, it appears you lived a clean and moral life under the teachings of buddism. The correct answer was christianity, so make way for charles manson who killed a shit load of people and turned to me after being jailed for his mis-doings... That elevator down the hallway on your right... Take that to the bottom floor... Charles, feel free to grab some refreshments from our juice bar and enjoy the many rollercoasters and water-rides at heaven land."

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[2mchbooty]

I just started reading it...cant put it down! Should be interesting.

[yerrow]

[~The_Duke~]

The whole concept "Jesus Saves" IMO is all jacked up to begin with. If "god" is so great why would you need to make sacrifices by killing something or someone to prove that you "love" him. (one of the 10 commandments "Thow shall not kill") That just seems a lil messed up to me.

[Xan]

As for you radical Christian bastards saying Harry Potter is "evil" and we should burn the books. I have a suggestion for you. Change Wizardry, witchcraft, and sorcery to "miracles" and Hoggwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry to "hoggwarts christian monastery". It's a damn book.

[metalman]

As for you radical Christian bastards saying Harry Potter is "evil" and we should burn the books. I have a suggestion for you. Change Wizardry, witchcraft, and sorcery to "miracles" and Hoggwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry to "hoggwarts christian monastery". It's a damn book.

Do not mistake those who would censor what others (outside their own children/family) read, see, or watch, with true Biblical Christians.

Also, except in name only, there is no such thing as a "christian monastery".
The very principles of monastery life contradict the Word of God and are in opposition to it.

[babowc]

sheesh.. so much drama over a single stupid comment and a movie.

[joesblk_teg]

ok i just got done reading all yalls crazy bs. i have read the book and i am a strong believer in christ. guess what guys i loved the book, i thought it brought up a differnt way to view things i dont believe them, but it was kool to see a different side. the author of the book said the book is fiction and that though some of the ideas have been around for a long time that the are just theories and alot of the stuff he just made up him self. i personally can't wait untill the movie comes out to see if it lives up to the book. ohh and i do not like people critcizing what other people believe, its just not nice

[~The_Duke~]

I just like aguring with people....and this is a subject that will get people to give some good debate most of the time.

I think the only time I think it is ok for critizing what someone else believe is if it has to do with tom cruise and his religion if you even want to call it that and/or something having to do with mass sucide.

[joesblk_teg]

I just like aguring with people....and this is a subject that will get people to give some good debate most of the time.

I think the only time I think it is ok for critizing what someone else believe is if it has to do with tom cruise and his religion if you even want to call it that and/or something having to do with mass sucide.

hahah yeah scientology is just stupid

[CSquared]

I just like aguring with people....and this is a subject that will get people to give some good debate most of the time.

I think the only time I think it is ok for critizing what someone else believe is if it has to do with tom cruise and his religion if you even want to call it that and/or something having to do with mass sucide.

Seriously, tom cruise is fucking warped.

Somebody needs to put him back on his meds.

[metalman]

Seriously, tom cruise is fucking warped.

Given some of his insane comments, it would seem that Mr. Cruise's elevator no longer stops at all the floors. Brainwashing has a way of doing that to people though.

[770bb6]

i'm lost... give a brief synopsis of the book for the lazy!

[johndial]

I give props to my man Xan....
btw, didn't Dan Brown still the idea from some other guys way back in the earlier days? I haven't done my research but I know it's not an original concept for sure though. Ever since Jesus came along and started offending people with the truth, there's been an ongoing attempt to strip Him of his divinity and holiness....ca-razy I tell ya.
Anywho, it's late...IM OUT!!