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Pretty hard to build much of a relationship with God our Creator if we ignore, trivialize, or do not believe His Word. The Bible and Christ are synonymous, to dismiss one even a small percentage as "not accurate" is to dismiss the other in the same sense.Originally Posted by trini_gsr
Indeed...as I suspected when reading your paragraphs of human logic, we are miles apart then.
I am sorry you have lost faith in Gods Word...whatever the reason.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. John 8:47
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Eph 6:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom 10:17
But he (Jesus)answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matt 4:4
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Prov 30:5-6
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. Is 40:8
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Heb 4:12
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him 1 John 2:4,5
i guess i have lost faith that God's Word is only contained within the Bible. the experiences i have had just don't allow me to remain that naive or arrogant any longer. i have long passed that point of naivete on my journey. But I don't ignore or trivialise the Bible, nor do I ignore or trivialise anybody else's beliefs or relationship with the Creator, just because it doesn't align with my own.
Maybe it's just an ego problem we have in the west where we expect everyone to conform to our way of doing things...but the world is a really big place. Christians believe they can look to nature to find evidence of God's handiwork and design. Just like different cultures have developed different languages to communicate with each other and describe life as they experience it...what makes you think the same wouldn't go for religions. I will take it a step further and note that religions frequently borrow from one another, as many of the ideas in Christianity are not original.
It's like looking through one window on a wall in a house, and believing you can describe everything outside. You might see mountains, someone else looking through a different window might see trees...nobody's view is less valid than the next. But it's all a part of the totality of what exists outside the house - we can't see it because we are on the inside looking out. All religions to me fundamentally are different cultural views of our Creator.
This isn't a simple matter of 1+1=2. lol, even in that example, that assumes a base 10 number system - 1+1 = 10 in binary. But because you are unwilling to objectively examine christianity, and you scrutinize every other religion with a bias...we'll just have to agree to disagree.
It also seems you have a fundamental problem with human logic. Again, God gave us brains for a reason. Logic is not a sin. We are made in God's image and have the same abilities he does, just obviously not on as grand a scale. God gave us our cognition so we could USE it to ponder this universe that we live in, evolve (a dirty word apparently, lol) and grow. Not just believe blindly and remain stagnant.
I don't think as humans we've ever been stagnant. Using our logic helps us to keep from being stagnant. However, there will always be a difference between my logic and yours (not you directly).
My logic tells me that this world is too complex, too right for us to live in, etc. that it's almost impossible for this all to come together by CHANCE. This gives my life no meaning, no purpose. I just so happen to come about and be alive. I can try to fill my life with meaning (work, family, friends, etc.), but would still feel empty because I just got lucky. There's nothing special about me cause I could have been skipped in this evolution game.
With God, I have a purpose, I have value, I have meaning, etc. He fills that void that can't be filled by friends and family, big houses, fast cars, women, etc. Instead of accidentally being here, I'm here because he wants me here.
I can go on but I've gotta start working.
I have no problem with logic or human reasoning as long as it falls within the boundaries of our Creators revealed will and truth. Your right, God created within us a brain so that we could CHOOSE to follow Him or not. He gave us intelligence and understanding so that we might appreciate Him and learn of Him in addition to enjoying what He created for us.
As His Word says, "Choose ye this day whom ye will serve...." God or self.
The "narrow way" is God's, Christ Jesus our Creators religion...its HIS Gospel truth, not mine. I didnt author it, I didnt design it, I didnt do a consultation on it, I get NO credit for any of it. Its NOT mine. Because there is but ONE Creator God there is but ONE truth. Conforming to our Creator's Gospel truth is NOT an invention of the west. Conforming to the principles of Christ is the religion HE authored. Its the whole reason Christ came here and died. It is in fact what is BEST for all mankind. Therin lies the problem for sinful man. Man thinks he knows best. If you or anyone has an issue with God's religion your issue is with the Author.
Mankind prefers his own reasoning, questioning the wisdom of Gods design, questioning Gods infinite plan, putting his own wisdom and logic above Gods revealed will, above His Word. "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:..." and that is the seed of Lucifers rebellion and the source of all evil in this world.
Your right, the world is a big place, so is the universe, but God is the Creator and Lord of it ALL. There is none other. His Word & truth endures forever. His Word & His example show us clearly that all religions are NOT authored by Him. His Word and revealed will also show that all worship is NOT accepted by him. Even some that worship in His name will be told to "depart" and are "spewed out of His mouth.." in the day he returns.
Choosing to follow ones own will, or put ones own logic, reasoning, intellect etc ABOVE Gods "seemth right unto a man but the end thereof is destruction"
There are only two paths to follow for ALL humanity. Those who walk in 'perfection' with Christ follow all the 'light'/truth they know, if but a little.
His light and truth is being spread across the entire world....when that work is concluded He will return to "gather the faithful" that have kept His word. Those who havent will be judged accordingly.
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