Question for Christians

**Hulud** · 03-21-2006, 06:50 PM

one of the 10 commandments was "thou shall not steal" right?

anyways my question is would you steal medications to save your loved ones life if you could not afford it in any way?
(like you had no collateral, family for help, etc)

**blacknightteg** · 03-21-2006, 06:56 PM

no, to be honest i wouldnt, if i couldnt afford it or my family couldnt afford it then thats that. it wouldnt set right with the people in my family anyways and if they were dying upsetting them would be the last thing that i would want to do

**metalman** · 03-21-2006, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Hulud

one of the 10 commandments was "thou shall not steal" right?

anyways my question is would you steal medications to save your loved ones life if you could not afford it in any way?
(like you had no collateral, family for help, etc)

The Christian answer - If you (not you personally but this person) believe in the commandments then that presumes you believe in the God that gave them. Therefore you would not steal anything but claim the promises in the Bible rely on Gods grace and mercy as per His Word. Do you need the texts?

**cb7** · 03-21-2006, 09:03 PM

nah, i would just get them natural herbal medicines.

**Kelly** · 03-22-2006, 03:36 PM

Nope, as someone else said- my family is STRONG in thier Christian faith and would be mad if I did something like that. I would get down on my face and cry out for God's healing power to touch my "loved one". This is where faith would come in. And if it's meant for them to live, they will... If not- "The good Lord giveth, and the good Lord taketh away".

**Killer** · 03-22-2006, 04:32 PM

as kelly and metalman said... christians would use faith not steal... and besides.. if you go to a church they would do some kind of fundraiser/hope offering/or just flat give you the money... our church does stuff like that a lot!

**Kelly** · 03-22-2006, 04:36 PM

Babe... He said...

Originally Posted by Hulud

(like you had no collateral, family for help, etc)

**Killer** · 03-22-2006, 04:44 PM

........there's no one in this world that can't get help from God...

i don't see how you couldn't get any help... that's more impossible than getting help.. u see what i'm sayin?

**Kelly** · 03-22-2006, 04:49 PM

Yeah, but that's not what the question asked or stated. I understand what you're saying though.

**ISAtlanta300** · 03-22-2006, 04:54 PM

The end does not justify the means. Try to explain that to the Judge !!

**Killer** · 03-22-2006, 04:55 PM

well... why ask a question like that when it's supposed to be a serious question, yet it's basically impossible...

no offense to u hulud.. i understand what ur getting at...

but a better question would have been would a christian sin/or do wrong to save another's life..? somethin like that...

**Hulud** · 03-22-2006, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Killer

well... why ask a question like that when it's supposed to be a serious question, yet it's basically impossible...

no offense to u hulud.. i understand what ur getting at...

but a better question would have been would a christian sin/or do wrong to save another's life..? somethin like that...

no your just dissecting the question, its a simple question

**David88vert** · 03-22-2006, 09:15 PM

I would go cap some fools for some money and then buy the medicine - see I didn't have to steal.... :-p

**Stormhammer** · 03-23-2006, 01:01 AM

credit card...

but like the others said - its where you put your faith in God, and believe that if its his will to heal/cure them, then thats what will happen. Admittingly, it is sometimes hard to do, but some of the things I've seen happen to some close people is just kinda undeniable that it can and does happen

**metalman** · 03-23-2006, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Stormhammer

Admittingly, it is sometimes hard to do, but some of the things I've seen happen to some close people is just kinda undeniable that it can and does happen

True. Also, doing right is rarely ever the easy path.

**{X}Echo419** · 03-23-2006, 09:19 AM

John Q.

**Hulud** · 03-23-2006, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Stormhammer

credit card...

but like the others said - its where you put your faith in God, and believe that if its his will to heal/cure them, then thats what will happen. Admittingly, it is sometimes hard to do, but some of the things I've seen happen to some close people is just kinda undeniable that it can and does happen

you dont have a credit card (in theory)

**Kelly** · 03-23-2006, 10:32 AM

I'm with ya on this one...

**ISAtlanta300** · 03-23-2006, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Hulud

you dont have a credit card (in theory)

Then I guess one would have to accept the "reality" of things.

**Hulud** · 03-24-2006, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300

Then I guess one would have to accept the "reality" of things.

how so?
not everyone in the world has credit cards

**{X}Echo419** · 03-24-2006, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Hulud

how so?
not everyone in the world has credit cards

I think he means; in the hypathetical situation you don't have access to a credit card you would have to accept that the person is going to die.

**Hulud** · 03-25-2006, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

I think he means; in the hypathetical situation you don't have access to a credit card you would have to accept that the person is going to die.

ah ok

**Z33_kid** · 03-25-2006, 07:45 PM

thing tht i dont get is (sorry to say) many christians i kno say i do wrong at times but when i see wht tere doin its worse tere the one's stealing for the fun of it n doin things not allowed n then pointing the finger n sayin sinner lol juss so funny

**Stormhammer** · 03-26-2006, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by acura8851

thing tht i dont get is (sorry to say) many christians i kno say i do wrong at times but when i see wht tere doin its worse tere the one's stealing for the fun of it n doin things not allowed n then pointing the finger n sayin sinner lol juss so funny

and thats what you would call a hypocrit

btw - spell check dude lol

**ISAtlanta300** · 03-26-2006, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

I think he means; in the hypathetical situation you don't have access to a credit card you would have to accept that the person is going to die.

Exactly.

**babowc** · 03-27-2006, 09:34 PM

people take the bible too straight forward.

the bible shouldnt be taken word for word, there are hidden "meanings" in the verses.

for example : rest on the sabbath; i forget where i read this, but there was a story about bible-nerds, who took it for word by word and didnt rescue a drowning man, even though they saw him drown to death.

jesus of course, said that wasnt the way, etc. etc. (forgot what he said)

so, think before you read a verse and act it out the same way as it is told.
old testaments = eye for an eye. new testaments = if you are slapped on the right cheek, offer the left. (even though that doesnt really connect with this question)

stealing, usually means taking for your own personal benefit.
if you, "stole" drugs from your family member to keep them from going down the wrong path, i'd have to say, that was the right decision.

you can always ask for forgiveness and pray...
thats why jesus died on the cross

**babowc** · 03-27-2006, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by acura8851

thing tht i dont get is (sorry to say) many christians i kno say i do wrong at times but when i see wht tere doin its worse tere the one's stealing for the fun of it n doin things not allowed n then pointing the finger n sayin sinner lol juss so funny

we're all hypocrits, but it stands out even more because christians are supposed to be "good".

hell, i tell little kids not to curse and i curse myself.
we're all hypocrits to a certain degree.

**metalman** · 03-28-2006, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by babowc

stealing, usually means taking for your own personal benefit.
if you, "stole" drugs from your family member to keep them from going down the wrong path, i'd have to say, that was the right decision.

you can always ask for forgiveness and pray...
thats why jesus died on the cross

Hmmm...sounds rather catholic to me. Just do it...then go to confession. Unfortunately the Bible does not teach such principles. Stealing is stealing...its taking anything that doesnt not belong to you...period.
The idea of "the ends justify the means" is not a Biblical principle...in fact it stands in oposition to it.

**babowc** · 03-28-2006, 12:35 PM

in this case, more so than religious belief, it would be moral to take the drugs from someone abusing it.
so, you're going to see your brother/sister abuse crack in front ofyou and do nothing?

and thats not a catholic belief, it goes for everything christianity is based on.
jesus died on the cross to forgive our sins, free us from debts, and to forgive the sins that we will make.
then why do you think jesus died on the cross?

**metalman** · 03-28-2006, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by babowc

in this case, more so than religious belief, it would be moral to take the drugs from someone abusing it.
so, you're going to see your brother/sister abuse crack in front ofyou and do nothing?

You've shifted subjects...that wasnt the original premise or even close to it.

**babowc** · 03-29-2006, 12:35 AM

ooh wow.. im so stupid.
sorry about that.

stealing to benefit someone eles, correct?
i.e: as said : steal medication from a store/etc. to save your family member's life.

as coldhearted as it may sound, all people die and its a natural thing, of course, unless life was forcefully taken from then.
white lies are lies, they are still sins.
same goes for this scenario.
its a good deed and seems like the moral thing to do from other people's eyes, but of course, because its a moral thing to do, doesnt mean its not a sin.

sorry for straying from subject two posts up.

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