20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity

[Kelly]

All I know that I serve a mighty powerful God because like I have said time and time again, I have truely experienced Him. Not because mommy or daddy told me to... Not because I live in the "bible belt"... But because I have saw Him do great things in the lives of me and the people around me. I have witnessed someone being healed right before my very eyes.

So we can quote bible scriptures back and forth until our fingers fall off, but that isn't proving anything to you. Do you see what I mean?

You all get mad if we can't quote a scripture every single time we say something. But it's because we're speaking from our hearts. I'll tell you right now that I'm no bible scholar in any way. You may, in fact, have more scriptures memorized, but I feel like I have something deeper then a mind full of scriptures. I have a savior who is there with me, beside me, to guide me thru anything that comes my way...

I'm not bashing anyone, it just frustrates me to no limits when other people feel like they can bash us and bash us. But that's ok, it's gonna be worth it.

2 Corinthians- 9But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. 10That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

[metalman]

So we can quote bible scriptures back and forth until our fingers fall off, but that isn't proving anything to you. Do you see what I mean?

It SHOULD prove something to the believer if he/she is truly a believer because the believer is to be bound by that Word.

As I said previously, most so called Christians are happy to continue in whatever belief they already have REGARDLESS of what the sum total of Scripture says.

Obviously youre correct in terms of non believers. Spiritual things are spirtually discerned. There is no discernment (light) in darkness.

[Kelly]

No, you'll never understand it until you experience it.

As far as knowing my scriptures... I do.
And I'll never be content with my spiritual connection with God... There is always something more... I won't be "content" until I reach heaven and get to worship my savior throughout all eternity.

You obviously know scriptures as do I. The bible is a sacred book to teach us how to live a Christ-like life. Why use it to argue points to someone who is set in their ways anyway?...

[metalman]

Why use it to argue points to someone who is set in their ways anyway?...

Thats just the point. The true Christian should never be "set in their ways", they should always be completely willing to accept whatever the Bible teaches as they advance in knowlege of that Word, regardless of what mommy and daddy told them, regardless of what the preacher man said, regardless of the popular opinion, regardless of their former ideas.

Unless one approches Bible study with humility, not caring what point is proven, but only interested in what the Word truly reveals, and what is true, they will always be stumbling and somewhat confused at least in part.

I realize that the view of hell I have presented will put me in a very small minority of people on the earth. I care not. The only question I care about is...what is true in light of Scripture. Its not MY truth afterall...it doesnt belong to me, my pride should have no place in it.

[metalman]

A key to remember....

Satan, the serpent told Eve, "ye shall not surely die" (live forever)

God said "The soul that sinneth it shall die" (NOT live forever)

I don't know about you but I don't put much stock in what Satan says as being anywhere near the truth.

[Kelly]

A key to remember....

Satan, the serpent told Eve, "ye shall not surely die" (live forever)

God said "The soul that sinneth it shall die" (NOT live forever)

I don't know about you but I don't put much stock in what Satan says as being anywhere near the truth.

It's ETERNAL DEATH... Hello...

[metalman]

It's ETERNAL DEATH... Hello...

Indeed. It is DEATH (not life or alive) and it is eternal for sure.

[Killer]

^^^ do u really call living a life in hell life.... ??? i'm sure God doesn't either...
Hell is forever it says it many more times in the Bible besides what kelly posted...

but metalman i applaud u using verses from the bible to show us your points/thoughts... instead of googling random retarded things like some guy who's done a study on hell on the history channel!

[metalman]

^^^ do u really call living a life in hell life.... ??? i'm sure God doesn't either...
Hell is forever it says it many more times in the Bible besides what kelly posted...

but metalman i applaud u using verses from the bible to show us your points/thoughts... instead of googling random retarded things like some guy who's done a study on hell on the history channel!

The word "forever" is used numerous times in the Bible for things that have ceased or ended. I would be very cautious in hinging my beliefs upon that word. You may want to study that word further.

To be honest, to many churches, removing the teaching of eternal burning hell removes the method they use to motivate people, which is sad. These misguided people don't realize the true character of God and are unable to use His loving mercy to entice others but resort to a method of using fear of eternal torment instead.

[Killer]

The word "forever" is used numerous times in the Bible for things that have ceased or ended. I would be very cautious in hinging my beliefs upon that word. You may want to study that word further.

To be honest, to many churches, removing the teaching of eternal burning hell removes the method they use to motivate people, which is sad. These misguided people don't realize the true character of God and are unable to use His loving mercy to entice others but resort to a method of using fear of eternal torment instead.

I agree with that..... too many churches preach hell.. when they should be preaching the love of Jesus...

[Kelly]

I agree with that..... too many churches preach hell.. when they should be preaching the love of Jesus...

Agreed. Although I do think it necessary for us to know the outcome of not living a Christ-like life.

[Speedm0(\)key]

man.. fuck christianity, really

[Kelly]

^^^ Woah speedmonkey, where did you come from? If it bothers you- don't click on it. It's an easy concept.

[ISAtlanta300]

man.. fuck christianity, really

If that is all you have to contribute to these discussions you are better off not reading and posting altogether..... it's getting old, dude...

[{X}Echo419]

If that is all you have to contribute to these discussions you are better off not reading and posting altogether..... it's getting old, dude...

amen!

[Kelly]

Seriously... Why even click on it if it's gonna make you that mad?

[Killer]

... it's not that he's that mad... he just wants to make us christians mad... little does he know he's just making himself look retarded..

[Georgiaman]

Well i am 100% sure Jesus is comen soon i am seeing healings and people are getting saved there will be disbelivers but just know Jesus loves you and as in the days of noah (the rains about to fall and when it starts fallen its to late) i hope you all get right before that happens

God Bless

[Kelly]

Amen^^^

Six Prophecies That Are Being Filled In THESE Last Days

1. FALSE PROPHETS AND CHRISTS
Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and will mislead many."
Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many."

In the last several years many have claimed to be the Messiah. Jim Jones and David Koresh are examples of these false christs as well as countless others who are not as newsworthy. These false prophets are a prelude to the ultimate false christ, the antichrist. Many New Age groups, some even NGO's working for the United Nations, are anxiously awaiting the antichrist, preparing the way for his acceptance as the head of the hierarchy of gods and the one who will usher in world peace.

2. WARS
Matthew 24:6 "And you will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end."

Rumors of wars in all areas of the world now occur frequently thanks to instant media coverage and the availability of a multitude of 24-hour news sources.

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

More people have been killed in warfare in this century than at any other time in history. As the death toll rises in the Middle East, more and more countries work feverishly to develop devastating weapons of mass destruction. Add to that the expanding threat of terrorism and unpredictable dictators such as Saddam Hussein, and the potential for the outbreak of war exists in nations, kingdoms and places across the globe.

3. FAMINES
Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

As white, Christian farmers are driven out of Zimbabwe in increasing numbers, and foreigners move in to replace life-sustaining crops with poppies that now supply 25% of the worlds drugs, famine spreads across the African continent. The undernourished are not limited to Africa, however. A large portion of the worlds 5 billion people suffers from a shortage of food.

4. EARTHQUAKES
Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

The number and intensity of earthquakes this century is at a level higher than any other time in history. A staggering number of seismic events occur around the world daily. The earthquake seismic monitor IRIS shows all major earthquakes for the last year. Indicated by yellow and red circles, the seismic events of the last 15 days provides strong evidence of the fulfillment of Matthew 24:7 in our day. By contrast, in the years from 1890 to 1900 there was only one major earthquake in the world.

5. TRIBULATIONS
Matthew 24:8-9 "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of my name."

Christians are under attack throughout the world today. (CAN I GET AN AMEN!?!?) In the United States Christians still enjoy freedom to worship God without suffering much more than ridicule, hatred, or discrimination at work and school. However in many other countries such as China, Sudan, Africa, Saudi Arabia, Korea, Russia, and many Muslim nations, Christian suffer much greater persecution and often times death for their faith. During the tribulation this suffering will be worldwide and will continue even to the point of martyrdom. These first 5 signs will increase in intensity and severity as the tribulation approaches, much like the birth pangs or contractions of a pregnant woman worsen as the delivery time approaches.

6. THE GOSPEL WILL BE PREACHED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD
Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a witness to all the nations, and then the end shall come."

This prophecy has already been fulfilled through television, radio, missionaries, the translation of the Bible into many languages, and the internet. People all over the world now hear the message of Christ from missionaries who have the means to travel the globe, and via technology that allows us to communicate with people on the other side of the world right from our own homes, churches and offices.

[Kelly]

I copied/pasted my main point from this website, but here's some more "good reading"...

http://www.contenderministries.org/p...y/endtimes.php

[Speedm0(\)key]

take it like this.. im satan. here to fuck with you. i will click what i want and tell you that i dont beleive in your jesus bullshit one bit. your online religious talks is what is getting old. SHUT THE FUCK UP

[Kelly]

I'll pray for ya

[{X}Echo419]

take it like this.. im satan. here to fuck with you. i will click what i want and tell you that i dont beleive in your jesus bullshit one bit. your online religious talks is what is getting old. SHUT THE FUCK UP

[/pussy] get some

[Speedm0(\)key]

[/pussy] get some

fuck you and fuck christianity or any religion for that matter

[Hulud]

[/pussy] get some

i bet will could take you, btw ive never met either one of you

[Georgiaman]

take it like this.. im satan. here to fuck with you. i will click what i want and tell you that i dont beleive in your jesus bullshit one bit. your online religious talks is what is getting old. SHUT THE FUCK UP

hey man i just want to tell you that Jesus wants you and even though through your misery you feel like someone owes you compensation for the faults of other people that come against you. Just know that there is complete redemption and compensation in Jesus and he is desperate for you and he knows ur weaknesses and wants to help you with them your only duty is excepting it and u will most certainly fly. As for religion i really believe it could be the down fall of many. I believe being religious is man way to heaven. I dont want to go to heaven for the roses i want to go because of my relentless love for Christ. I hope i see you in the end man weither you want it or not i will pray for you.

[Hulud]

hey man i just want to tell you that Jesus wants you and even though through your misery you feel like someone owes you compensation for the faults of other people that come against you. Just know that there is complete redemption and compensation in Jesus and he is desperate for you and he knows ur weaknesses and wants to help you with them your only duty is excepting it and u will most certainly fly. As for religion i really believe it could be the down fall of many. I believe being religious is man way to heaven. I dont want to go to heaven for the roses i want to go because of my relentless love for Christ. I hope i see you in the end man weither you want it or not i will pray for you.

good for you

[Hulud]

ur a dumb ass and no one likes u

:confused: who are you? o yea thats right no one likes you

[man]

20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity? Haha, I opened it up to start reading and after reading number 1 I closed it and literally started laughing out loud out how ignorant and uninformed it was. Christians are raised in fear? This guy can't be serious.

Ok, I just went through and read all of the headlines. Ummm how can I put this, the claims stated here seem to attack catholics. I honestly couldn't read a single headline and relate it to the Lutheran denomination. I think it's incredibly ignorant to say that all Christians hate homosexuals and science and crap like that. In fact, we recently had a discussion in my church about homosexuality and the fact is, the bible states every sin is equal, yes I know it also states homosexuals will never enter heaven, but we'll leave that up to interpretation.

And science, I could sit here right now and give a detailed summary of Darwin's Origin of Species, I'm halfway through reading it my third time. I could fully explain the big bang theory (not the little kid version) for you also. I am a science freak, as are most of my christian friends and all of my science professors are christian.

I really don't know how any of the authors points are valid, and I could sit here and go through and disprove them one-by-one but I'm not here to try and convert you.

[babowc]

that 20 list is just a one-sided arguement.
since when does christians only prey on the children? since when is it based on fear?
after jesus came and died for us, its been based on love ever since.
whoever wrote that 20 reasons crap should read the bible a little more carefully.

[Romeyo07]

ok, so there's a lot of misquoting going on. I've noticed that scriptures are quoted, but they're being taken out of context and not fully given. There's a story behind the verse. That's like reading just one line out of Shakespear and forming your opinion on his story.

Christians, you've got one more in here.

[Hulud]

Christians, you've got one more in here.

reinforcements have arrived

[Romeyo07]

reinforcements have arrived

I left the sniper rifle at home, so you're safe.

[Hulud]

I left the sniper rifle at home, so you're safe.

ummm ok....

[Stormhammer]

I first handedly don't see why people would make such strong arguements against it like that - and like Romeyo07 said - things were misqouted and taken out of context

for one thing - maybe southern baptists are raised in fear or something. I dunno if they still do it today. I know back in the olden day ( think 13 colonies ) when it was like God holds you over a fiery pits of hell on a silver string and he can glady cut it and let you fall ( some poem by some pastor dude - junior hs english is failing my memory hear, my apologies )

but in todays modern society its a very rare sight indeed to see anyone of any christian based ( or other as far as I'm aware of, but dont qoute me on this ) religion to be brought up in fear - I know there are the sayings to "fear God" but I never took it as the " omg he's gonna smite me dead if i dont do this" - more like just hold a respect for what I believe that He is capable of

[metalman]

for one thing - maybe southern baptists are raised in fear or something. I dunno if they still do it today. I know back in the olden day ( think 13 colonies ) when it was like God holds you over a fiery pits of hell on a silver string and he can glady cut it and let you fall ( some poem by some pastor dude - junior hs english is failing my memory hear, my apologies )

but in todays modern society its a very rare sight indeed to see anyone of any christian based ( or other as far as I'm aware of, but dont qoute me on this ) religion to be brought up in fear - I know there are the sayings to "fear God" but I never took it as the " omg he's gonna smite me dead if i dont do this" - more like just hold a respect for what I believe that He is capable of

Youre right. In the Bible its says "Fear God, give glory to Him...." The word fear usually leads us to a conclusion of being scared but the original wording used in the Bible has much more to do with RESPECT, WORSHIP, ACKOWLEGING God as our Creator.

It is also true however that many churches still employ methods of fear to entreat others to their fold. From the fabricated roman catholic teachings of hell, purgatory, limbo, the confessional etc etc to the Baptist/Pentecostal misunderstanding and subsequent focus on the "everlasting" fires of hell, and eveything in between, many (not all) churches still preach and utilize a fear approach.

The Bible/Gospel DOES contain a warning, and that is indeed PART of the picture, but not the whole of it. Gods everlasting love for all of humanity that doesnt in any way deserve any of His love should be the real focus. His willingness as Creator to work the miracle of creation within the human life, should be the focus.

[Romeyo07]

I'm not scared of God (so to speak), I fear him. It's respect, which in the original language of which the verses that speak about fearing God, that was the translation, just as a servant feared his boss, out of respect, not for punishment or anything.

I'm not Christian because I feel that if not I'm going to hell. I'm Christian because I acknowledge what Christ did for me. Since I've been a Christian, my life has been fantastic. I have NEVER gone without, I've been stress free, I've felt so great, knowing that I'm taken care of. When I'm in need, He has always come through. I'm living proof of what God can do with someone. I've got way too many stories of when God has proven himself to me to not believe he exists and loves me.

I'll be more than happy to have this conversation one on one with any of you.

I think there are too many people out there that think they "know" how church and christianity works, but really have a skewed view of it (this includes Christians). Again, I'll be more than happy to enlighten you. It's really not as hard as people think it is. Best part about it is that you don't have to try to change who you are....

[metalman]

Best part about it is that you don't have to try to change who you are....

Thats correct. The Creator does the changing for you, its by His power, not our own, that a person becomes 'new'. He does the 'work', all we have to do is allow it.

[4dmin]

I think there are too many people out there that think they "know" how church and christianity works, but really have a skewed view of it (this includes Christians). Again, I'll be more than happy to enlighten you. It's really not as hard as people think it is. Best part about it is that you don't have to try to change who you are....

what? hold on you don't have to change who you are to be christian? really....? SINS are instinct how are you not changing yourself?

[Jaimecbr900]

SINS are instinct how are you not changing yourself?

Hold on broham......a "sin" is a choice behavior by itself. We are all born "sinners" but TO "sin" is a learned behavior and not a programmed one.