Scripture a day (Islam Edition)

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I agree. Get him to post his opinion in here. You aren't him.

No problem. You do the same. Quit speaking for anyone you know that is a muslim and let them speak for themselves. Your experience is no more credible than my own. You cant claim your experience as evidence and then discredit mine.

You are the one who talks about personal experience in previous topics, but now, when the tables are turned, and you do not have the same personal experience, then the rules have to change. Interesting.
The fact is, you have no personal experience (that you have stated up to now) with Muslims who are active in you faith.

Yes i do. Just because a muslim hasnt beheaded someone in my living room doesnt mean that i do not see it happening. Just because they havnt bombed my neighborhood does not mean that they havnt bombed my country. If i was one of those people who got their legs blown off in boston would my opinion of muslims be valid then??? Do i have to wait to become a victim before speaking out?

I agree.
It has also been attacked by the British even more times than Muslims have attacked. Should we kick out all British?

Sure, show me where the british handbook instructs them to attack americans.

You state now that, "What i say is not hate speech. The truth is not hate speech", but in the other thread, you stated, "Fuck every single muslim walking this planet." To me, that reads as hate speech, not as "the truth". I based my statement of what you stated, clearly and simply.

Yes, THAT is hate speech. I am an asshole and say asshole things. I recognize that not 100% of all muslims are evil. I do feel that every single muslim on this planet is at least a pawn in the grand scheme of things. They may not realize that what they are participating in is evil, but the fact that it is evil is the claim i am trying to make.

Let me be clear, I am not telling you to ignore the crimes committed by terrorists, whether they are Muslim, Christian, Hindu, atheist, etc. I am pointing out a simple truth that the VAST majority of people of all religions live peacefully, and only extremists perform these heinous acts. They use religion as an excuse and a justification of their wrong-doings.

And among all religions, Islam has the greatest number if radical extremists and its not even comparable.

You point out extremists and act like all atrocities committed are due to their religious beliefs, yet we see Mexicans committing these same style of crimes at our borders, and you say nothing. I am not defending bloodshed, I am simply stating that you cannot make a blanket statement that all of the evil in the world is due to Islam, or that all that believe in Islam are evil. The statement from you, "Islam is filth", is hate speech, which you are entitled to make, but don't be surprised when you are called out on it.

Islam is filth. I recognize that not all people who have fallen victim to Islam are bad people. I did not say all evil in the world is due to Islam. Also, i have spoke out about mexican crimes. I am consistent in my beliefs across the board, i show no favoritism to any group. Here you go again trying to blend islamic terrorism into another topic. You cant deny the evil acts committed on behalf of islam so you bring up other acts to compare it to. I'm happy condemning all terrorism everywhere, but this topic is dedicated to Islam.

People commit evil acts when it benefits them, and try to justify it - sometimes with religion, sometimes with other arguments. Aren't you a person that believes in personal responsibility? A book cannot make a person do evil acts - they have to choose to do those acts themselves.

You're right, but in this case the benefit is 72 virgins in heaven when an islamic terrorist participates in the jihad against western culture.

Let me be clear - I am not attacking you, and I am not being hostile. I am simply pointing out issues with your statements. I have no dislike for you, or any problem with you, just that your statements are nothing more than opinions (which you are entitled to have) with no stated foundation. You claimed that you wanted a discourse on the surahs, but apparently, only if everyone agrees with you.

I'm happy with your scripture based retort, just not the personal attacks. Debate the scripture, not the person. If you feel i am misinterpreting the scripture, then perhaps that is the same reason the extremists are doing what they do. How is it so easy to connect their actions to the scripture?

I agree that you should visit a mosque, a Buddhist temple, and a Jewish synagogue as well. Perhaps you should develop more friends of different religions if you have an interest in learning about them. I predict that you will find that the majority of people have the same goals as most - to give their children a better life that they have had.

I dont deny that. I could probably have the same experience at a KKK rally. I'm sure there's at least one decent family who believes they are doing what is best for them and trying to give their children a better life. In the grand scheme of things that doesnt change the fact that theyre a pawn in a much bigger plot. The koran specifically says for them to deceive and get close to infidels, to infiltrate and dominate. Everything is about expansion and control. They take advantage of our tolerance and acceptance. Muslims can freely come to my country as they please and life happy safe lives. If i were to go to their country, i would not be afforded the same luxury. If i went to an islamic region to preach christianity and live peacefully, i would be murdered, my wife and kids raped and/or tortured. The koran specifically mentions sexual acts as punishments and rewards for crimes. It's no wonder that their women are so oppressed and violated.

Hatred from me? Are you on crack? I have no animosity towards anyone regarding Islam. I'm not Muslim, and don't aspire to be. I haven't made one hateful statement in any of these threads. You might want to look at your earlier statements. You are the one making blanket statements about a religion that you have shown that you know almost nothing about - based upon your own statements.

You seem unusually offended by a debate that you should have no attachment too. By your usual standard of civility, your approach in this thread is hostile. You made one post that was scripture based and then started derailing this thread with personal attacks. Regardless of what you think of me, my knowledge of or interest in islam or anything else, if you cant answer the scripture with scripture, then i am winning this debate.

I'm guessing that you missed that he shot both of them to death first, then cut off their heads and hands in an attempt to prevent identification. The article never states that this was a religion-based killing, and even goes so far as to say that he was not particularly religious. The only people that speculated on it were disconnected from the accused. How is this any different than a "normal" murder? Perhaps you have more information than this article?

Yeah, every crime such as this is always given the benefit of the doubt. A muslim cuts the heads and hands off of two christians, just a "normal" murder.

Extremism is an issue in the UK, and it might become an issue in the US in the future - I agree.
There are abut 2.6 innocent Muslims in the US today, would you have us condemn them all?
These vile acts are performed every day at the Mexico-Texas border, but I haven't heard you rant about that yet - only if there is some religious element that might be tied to it. In fact, murders happen all over the world every day, but you seem to be selective on these, and want to blame the religion, rather than the person that commits the crime.

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion..... i feel i'm one of the more "harsh" justice seeking individuals on this sight. I'm not out to convict any individuals for their religious belief, i just want the truth revealed. The political movement to endorse Islam is very troubling to me. I feel a lot of these innocent people are victims to disinformation and manipulation. It is my opinion that education almost always leads to a path away from religion.