So what about the people that were already living here before those ships got here?Originally Posted by -EnVus-
So what about the people that were already living here before those ships got here?
Easy answer seeing how I am of great decedent from these people you speak of....They worshiped a god of the sky as do may look up today for God.
Also remember...
There is no direct mention of God in the Constitution, except in the formation of the date used in the document: "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". The Lord in this phrase is, of course, Christ.
Thats the long, government-y way of writing A.D.1787
this is why i try to stay out of most of your threads. Even in the face of direct evidence that the founders (or at least some of them) believed, you dismiss it because it doesnt fit your agenda.
The Founders escaped England and realized that in order to have a society they wished was better than where they came from, there had to be :
Equal Rights for all mankind
No monarch or King, a division of powers.
Certain unalienable rights, ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR
Also, The mention of GOD (Natures God) is in the declaration.
In the constitution they were wise not to put God in the body because they understood they wanted everyone to have freedom of religion, to choose to practice whatever they wanted , and yes in your case, practice nothing. That is everyones right. I think by putting GOD in the constitution they knew that would be interpreted as imposing religion on someone which they most certainly did not want to do.
Christianity has a certain set of philosophies and doctrines that the founders adhered to and used to frame their documents, just like im sure Arab countries look to the Koran, China to Buddhism, so on and so forth. Those philosophies arent specific TO christianity, but in this context the founders were christians, so that is why that distinction is made.
Good for you, they were smart, and didnt pass any laws or rules that limit you practicing your faith, or lack of. YOu are free to do as you choose, so long as you respect other peoples beliefs.
But its more and more apparent that is not what you want to do. you want to try and create this religion argument again that somehow you feel persecuted because you are an atheist. Or you want to make fun of others because they believe and you dont. Simply not true. YOure also in a dominantly christian nation, you are in the minority. Good thing for you the USA is tolerant of all people. If you did this stuff in say..............Iran or Iraq, you would have been beheaded by now.
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The hostility from nonreligious people comes from organized religion pretty much waging war against us. Religious based laws are not made for religious people, theyre made for me. If the Bible says "dont eat fruit on a tuesday", then a christian person should follow this law based on his belief and understand the consequences of defying his creator. Even though everyone else is eating fruit on a tuesday, that person can follow his beliefs and know that heaven will be their reward and hell will be the punishment for those who dont follow those rules. Why does our social structure need to reinforce laws made by God? Why does it need to be made illegal for me to eat fruit on a tuesday when i have no problem with it? Just because the fruit is there, the religious person doesnt have to eat it. The Bible has it's own laws and own punishments. There is no reason for our government to enforce anything religion based.
I just want it to be fair. On my way to work i will drive past approximately 25-30 churches who dont pay taxes, yet such a thing as a sin tax exists. It's perfectly normal and acceptable for people to hang up decorations of a man being mutilated, nailed to a wooden cross and executed on any public street or building but anything provocative is outlawed. People can walk around my neighborhood and pass out literature for their religion and can openly and freely tell anyone and everyone theyre going to burn in hell for an eternity. If i did the same and walked around local churches passing out nonreligious literature, i would probably be arrested.
If i can drive past the 239582935829358239058 churches in the united states and not be offended that they have mutilated bodies hanging from wooden crosses as decorations, it would be nice if they could return the favor and drive past the strip clubs, casinos and sex shops.
but they cant do that...... they go way out of their way to push their beliefs, even in places designated for nonchristians.
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Last edited by Sinfix_15; 04-22-2012 at 08:37 PM.
I simply do not agree with the christian view that gays shouldnt be allowed to marry. That is against my belief system. I also , dont agree with the gay lifestyle, but im not going to say that "god hates them" or that "god wants them to die" or any other crazy zany statements. I believe you love who you love, and if they want to get married, they should be able to.
But, i understand i am in a predominantly christian country that opposes gay marriage. So itll be some time before people with my thinking come to power.
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