Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
Im sorry but you seem to have fallen victim to the " church". someone lied to you or did you wrong or someone you know. The church has done more harm than good it seems and im sorry that has skewed your vision of God. I apologize on their behalf my friend. As far as your scenario...I don't know, i cant judge that for i am not God. It is still a life, i feel abortion is wrong. If the child is not wanted then give it up for adoption, there are a lot of families that can not bare children...just my .002
well, what about the life that already exists? Child birth isnt exactly a pleasant experience, especially for someone who doesnt want to. Imagine carrying the child of someone who raped you for 9 months then going thru child birth and aftercare. Also, child birth can risk the life of the mother. It's not a 100% procedure. It's easy to sympathize with this example and most people do, but if you're going to accept that it's life altering for one person, you have to give the same consideration for any person. Given that it's clearly a judgment call, who better to make that judgment than the person giving birth? I dont want my life decisions in the hands of the government. Christians do because that is the only way to force their beliefs on others. Religion based laws are not ment to govern religious people, theyre made for the rest of us.

I understand what you're saying about their being a difference in the establishment church and God, but how does anyone know anything about God without the church? theyre the source. What you're saying is like saying... "i love bigmacs... but i chose not to get them from McDonalds". Can you have a relationship with God privately between just yourself and God? if so, that leaves a LOT of room for personal interpretation. Perhaps i can smoke, drink, and have multiple sex partners while still maintaining a sense of morality. I'm not a liar or a cheat, i dont steal, i've never been arrested, never been to jail. I would fit in at your church just fine. I literally dated the preacher's daughter for 8 years without them being aware of my lack of belief. Attended church functions, played softball and basketball in church sporting leagues. Dont have any problem mingling with christians in the least. A lot of christians are great people..... if you can get over that whole idea about them thinking you're going to burn in hell for an eternity.