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msanch24- I think you missed my point a little bit. I said there is no scientific hard evidence to prove God, thats why it is called faith. I simply told you what the Bible ( what i base my faith on ) says about faith and how it comes about. I also invited you to call me and even attend church with me to see what Truth is according to the Bible.

For the second point I made- You all have made true statements, but in order to find truth and to obtain wisdom then all truths must be observed and considered. You can tell a tree by the fruits it bears. Evil men, whether trying to use " good" things, always flip the script i.e. Hitler, Stalin, ect....and I never said that crowd control=corruption. I said that power does and that the Bible could not be made up for crowd control because it claims divine inspiration which good men would not claim and contains and teaches high morality which evil men would not do. Read the contents of the Bible and what TRUE Christianity is supposed to be. Its sad but what we see in the mainstream Christian church is not what the bible preaches. And yes laws and such are needed, the provide structure and are the building blocks for civilization. But, the world has lost its sense of morality and values so why then has the Bible, unlike every other corrupt tool for control, stood for so long? For thousands of years the scriptures have stood, they have been validated, and have not changed with the times nor what the current generations state of morality is. Why is that? Because the Bible is the Living Gods' Word. It will forever stand and even when heaven and earth pass it will stand. Once you start to actually search with an open heart and mind you will see that there is more than just "words on a page". It speaks to you and your situation, it motivates you and will change your life.

nerdsrock22- I agree with what you are saying and it is true. But what you have to realize is that those underlying messages were for a church and a people of a certain time an that God was speaking to them. For one to start, build, and live by faith one only has to read the words for there literal meaning. What I meant by it flowing is that for a book that was written by many authors and over a long period of time it never contradicts itself. You would think that with time an different hands it would.
I didn't necessarily miss your point. I just can't see trying to explain to a nonbeliever how faith works using the bible. I've read the bible, studied the bible, and understand faith. I'm interested in your own words, not the words I've heard hundreds of times. Ya dig?