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First off, it's very nice to see this section come back to life. It has been some time since I have seen any life in here. I hope all is well with everyone and that this year has started out prosperous and good for everyone. Now that that is aside; I will try to answer the original question as well as give a response to something a few posts above.

Faith- The Bible defines faith as thus; " Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1. There is no scientific proof to validate someone's faith. Science can not be used to explain that which transcends all that we sense and perceive. God is above our minds and thoughts, He is outside of our "box" because He goes beyond what any single one of us or mankind in general can experience in one life time. We understand things based on time, some of us get 75 years and others a few months. To explain a God who is not bound by time but created it and not bound by physical laws because He wrote them; would be like trying to explain to an infant the human anatomy or physics. It can not be done with science or theories because those are based on our own limited knowledge and understanding of the world around us. Faith goes beyond all understanding and reason, it requires effort and a truly open mind. I learned long ago that there is no way to prove God nor ones faith, simply because you can choose to either believe or dismiss evidences in nature and even in our own bodies. Faith starts because the Holy Spirit calls us. We all have a yerning to search out the unknown and the reason we are here. The Holy Spirit calls to a man's soul and gives him conviction for sins. When we stand in the presence of the Holy God we are humbled and only then will faith begin. You can not expect to search for God already expecting to find nothing. You are only battling yourself there and your own deep mind for what you have already decided. If you are truly interested to learn more about Truth and the truth behind faith and God, give me a call 678-832-3871 jonathan. I would love for you to come to my church, listen to what is preached and feel the Spirit of God. I have given the offer before for anyone to come and see what I am talking about and prove me wrong. Good luck with your search and I pray that God would speak to your heart.

Second- The whole religion as a crowd control or the bible as such, it makes absolutely no sense. " No one but God could have authored the Bible, for good beings would not falsely claim divine inspiration, and evil beings would not teach such high morality." New Life study guide.

If anyone is interested in searching for the Lord, seeking Truth, or just wants to talk about faith. I reach out to anyone, my invitation is for all and my number is the same.
For someone who doesn't believe, using bible verses to validate a point has no impact whatsoever. No disrespect, it's just like stating "faith is the only way to be aware of god because the bible says so". I've heard literally hundreds of people try to persuade me with their "because the bible says so" arguments. I was hoping for other POV's here. I have received several, and I thank those guys for that!

As far as your second point, sorry man but that's just bogus. COUNTLESS evil men have used a supreme state to fuel their evil endeavors. Though not necessarily to be labeled evil, I'm fairly certain that you won't defend various middle eastern terrorists who are driven by their own book of god. Your statement about good beings and evil beings only plays out if peoples' intentions are black and white. Human beings are made of vast gray areas. Many "good" men have preached the bible, swearing by it's word, only to have their true intentions exposed at a later time. It is EXTREMELY easy to believe (and make sense of) that people would use the tales and teachings of Christianity to promote personal, or establishment based motives.