the hardcast lead rounds are the deepest penetrating available. im about to switch to 200gr hardcast once i place my next order. 200gr bullet at 1300fps will do quite nicely. 750ft lbs of energy into your target with huge penetration. If a bear or hog comes at you, you dont want to just piss it off... here in GA, i feel pretty safe with a 10mm, but in other woods where there are some big bears, i would want a 454 casull or something similar.