this is the real God....

[geoff]

QD- You don't know what I have experienced with God, you have no way of saying thats what I think I have experienced. Your now guilty of the very same thing you have accused me of, thinking you know something about me...these " christians " you have had personal relationships are obviously not what they are supposed to be. An encounter with the Lord is not supposed to leave you sour. Your the God i seek? haha funny. Your grounded? So then you haven't let go or opened your mind fully is what your saying...

[quickdodge®]

QD- You don't know what I have experienced with God, you have no way of saying thats what I think I have experienced.

I know for a fact that some voice didn't tell you to do something. Everything you've done is from your own thought processes. You choose to believe it is God.

Your grounded? So then you haven't let go or opened your mind fully is what your saying...

You can't comprehend how open my mind is, little one. Later, QD.

[geoff]

How exactly do you know what I have and have not experienced? Are you God? I don't think so. I have not heard His voice but I have heard His words. I have experienced unexplainable things that were God moving in my life, and i'm not talking about getting blessed with things. I'm talking about a Holy Spirit encounter that you obviously have no experience with. Believing and having faith is more than just saying you believe. When you truly open yourself up and stop looking for the tangible and boxed in view of God and stop trying to fit Him inside of your thought process and in your tiny mind ( I am now referring to all that doubt or question not just you ) There is a side to life, another dimension or realm if you will, that we can never fully comprehend or experience until we are open to it. You QD have some sort of belief or faith from what I have gathered, yet maybe you don't believe that a being powerful enough to create the universe could possibly communicate with His own creation? "Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:" isaiah 59:1 neither is God too big to care for what He created.

[quickdodge®]

Are you God? I don't think so.

Who do you think God goes to when He needs assistance?

I'm talking about a Holy Spirit encounter that you obviously have no experience with. Believing and having faith is more than just saying you believe. When you truly open yourself up and stop looking for the tangible and boxed in view of God and stop trying to fit Him inside of your thought process and in your tiny mind ( I am now referring to all that doubt or question not just you ) There is a side to life, another dimension or realm if you will, that we can never fully comprehend or experience until we are open to it. You QD have some sort of belief or faith from what I have gathered, yet maybe you don't believe that a being powerful enough to create the universe could possibly communicate with His own creation? "Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:" isaiah 59:1 neither is God too big to care for what He created.

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? You ramble on, stringing shit together in order to make you seem like you're some sort of mini-minister. Later, QD.

[StreetHazard]

Who do you think God goes to when He needs assistance?

ahhhh! I like that that one, I'll have to use it sometime if it's not copyrighted

"LATER, QD © 2010 ALL RIGHTS RESERVED"

[geoff]

I would also like to ask a question, I have heard some of you say you live your life basically according to the 10 commandments and try to be a good person but don't necessarily believe in God, do you not realize that the first and greatest commandment is " I am the Lord your God, and you shall have no other God before Me" and Jesus in the New Testament states, " The greatest of all the commandments is Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord; and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all they heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength, this is the first commandment." mark 12:29

so my question is this, if you all try and follow the 10 commandments and live a good life, how can you ignore the first and greatest of the commandments?

[quickdodge®]

I would also like to ask a question, I have heard some of you say you live your life basically according to the 10 commandments and try to be a good person but don't necessarily believe in God, do you not realize that the first and greatest commandment is " I am the Lord your God, and you shall have no other God before Me" and Jesus in the New Testament states, " The greatest of all the commandments is Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord; and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all they heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength, this is the first commandment." mark 12:29

so my question is this, if you all try and follow the 10 commandments and live a good life, how can you ignore the first and greatest of the commandments?

Read, man. Read and comprehend what you have read. You fucked up right in the beginning. First fuck up = "live your life basically according to the 10 commandments." Basically is a word with kind of a meaning as the word almost. It doesn't mean you just straight up live by the 10. Fuck up part two = "and you shall have no other God before Me." I never said if I didn't believe in God that that was because I had a God that I believed in or believed in before him (if I did believe).

You're not very good at setting up Biblical traps, are you? Later, QD.

[geoff]

Read, man. Read and comprehend what you have read. You fucked up right in the beginning. First fuck up = "live your life basically according to the 10 commandments." Basically is a word with kind of a meaning as the word almost. It doesn't mean you just straight up live by the 10. Fuck up part two = "and you shall have no other God before Me." I never said if I didn't believe in God that that was because I had a God that I believed in or believed in before him (if I did believe).

You're not very good at setting up Biblical traps, are you? Later, QD.

First of all buddy, most people on here that " live their lives according to the commandments" probably can't even list them. Most don't even know that it says anything about One God or to not have any others. So basically you guys pick and choose what you want to follow?

Second- This commandment doesn't only mean zues, allah, ra, ect....It also pertains to material things and yourself. When you believe that you're self sufficient or your possessions come before everything then you have indeed made yourself a god. You from previous posts have stated that you brought yourself out of hard times, you honestly think God had no grace on you at all? Do you think you have tomorrow promised to you or that your world is on a solid foundation? Do you honestly think that you woke yourself up or are self sufficient and are in control of your fate? If so then you have put yourself higher than God and by your own admission put a " god " before Him.

Last- Why then if you don't necessarily believe in the Christian God or His ways do you then choose to " basically " live according to the commandments?

[stillaneon]

Last- Why then if you don't necessarily believe in the Christian God or His ways do you then choose to " basically " live according to the commandments?

Just FYI

The 10 commandments include the same basic principles of morality in all religions.

It has nothing to do with God; Stealing, Murder, Adultry, Parental Respect, lying have been ideas looked down upon forever.. Way before the Zealots you look up to decided to write this book.

[quickdodge®]

Last- Why then if you don't necessarily believe in the Christian God or His ways do you then choose to " basically " live according to the commandments?

Because I was raised with proper morals and ethics and the knowledge of right and wrong. I don't need God to tell me it is wrong to commit murder, adultery or steal. It doesn't take trips to Sunday school or mass to learn that. That's common sense.

I am not here to preach a message, I am here to give scripture, spread the Word of God, give evidences, and occasionally defend my faith with said evidences.

Wow. Lolol. Contradict yourself much? That's why you look so foolish in here. You're not here to preach a message, but you ARE here to give scripture and spread the word of God. What the fuck do you think the latter two are?!?! In here preaching a message is EXACTLY what you're doing, man.

Also, you haven't defended your faith with any evidences because there is none. Later, QD.

[geoff]

So then you believe that the bible is some written conspiracy of men trying to manipulate the population at the time and holds no value for todays generation? You believe it was man made ideas and not inspired by God? And that it has no accuracy nor meaning? Is that about right?

[EJ25RUN]

So then you believe that the bible is some written conspiracy of men trying to manipulate the population at the time and holds no value for todays generation? You believe it was man made ideas and not inspired by God? And that it has no accuracy nor meaning? Is that about right?

Got a problem with that?

[stillaneon]

So then you believe that the bible is some written conspiracy of men trying to manipulate the population at the time and holds no value for todays generation? You believe it was man made ideas and not inspired by God? And that it has no accuracy nor meaning? Is that about right?

Nope. i believe it was written by men you thought they were being led in the right direction. i also believe that A LOT of the bible was left out and that it's extremely Naive to believe EVERYTHING you read...

[bodhi]

So then you believe that the bible is some written conspiracy of men trying to manipulate the population at the time and holds no value for todays generation? You believe it was man made ideas and not inspired by God? And that it has no accuracy nor meaning? Is that about right?

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure that they want to hear them.
3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have used it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

. . .

[geoff]

bohdi- You make me laugh

[stillaneon]

This topic has been one that has come up several times. I have seen people quote atheistic writings from wikipedia and videos created by atheist that have no scientific or archaeological background. This thread is not for the faint of heart, if you are someone that wants to learn, that cares to see if it is real, or wants to know if the stories in the bible are real and not made up by men than i offer you this information. For those of you that honestly could not care less if the bible is real, if it was not made up by man, if it is truly the inspired Word of God, then leave your mocking comments out of here because you are truly close minded and are not wanting to learn but to be led by false teachers.

This thread will be updated with more information as I gather it and put it all together. Thank you for those that actually take the time to look and study and learn. I pray God would open your eyes to see the truth in the evidence, your ears to hear the truth from archaeologists and scientists, and your minds and hearts to process the information and then search to find more of the Lord.


Archaeological evidences, studies, and finds of the accuracy of the bible. It shows that the bible was not made up by men to manipulate, that it is historically accurate, and as reliable as an ancient historical text.

http://www.pb.org/pbdocs/bibleac.html
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/bib-qur/bibarch.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWawV...eature=related

a Tale of Two cities is Historically Accurate as well, Yet I don't preach Charles Dickens. Seriously, you have said nothing enlightening, that would sway me to listen, you just run around the same rederick you have been spouting for the last 7 pages. I am all for you preaching, but don't come in as an amateur. It sounds as if Alex could make a better case for Christ...

[Starrfire]

So then you believe that the bible is some written conspiracy of men trying to manipulate the population at the time and holds no value for todays generation? You believe it was man made ideas and not inspired by God? And that it has no accuracy nor meaning? Is that about right?

My thoughts exactly. Glad you've come to your senses.

[geoff]

Yeah actually I do. I will soon be making a new thread to discuss this issue and put it to rest hopefully once and for all.

[EJ25RUN]

Yeah actually I do. I will soon be making a new thread to discuss this issue and put it to rest hopefully once and for all.

YOU are gonna end something pertaining to Religious discussion by posting it on a car forum?



Ok. I'll go tell people to save the whales on Jenny Craig's website. bye.





























lol

[geoff]

Did you even bother to look at any of that or watch even a little of the video? I am not here to preach a message, I am here to give scripture, spread the Word of God, give evidences, and occasionally defend my faith with said evidences.

[stillaneon]

Did you even bother to look at any of that or watch even a little of the video? I am not here to preach a message, I am here to give scripture, spread the Word of God, give evidences, and occasionally defend my faith with said evidences.

This is a Car Forum, maybe you're here for the wrong reason. But you have presented no evidence.

[geoff]

But you have presented no evidence.

Yes I know, but I am posting in a RELIGION section of the forum. You answer above to my question just goes to show how close-minded and blind you are. Instead of looking at the provided evidence with a learning mind you simply cast it aside without even considering it. You sir are not interested in obtaining truth, you instead are stubborn in your ways and have a rebellious spirit. From this response of yours and several others i gather that if Jesus Himself came to you and you could touch Him, see Him, hear Him, it still would not be ample evidence.

[stillaneon]

Yes I know, but I am posting in a RELIGION section of the forum. You answer above to my question just goes to show how close-minded and blind you are. Instead of looking at the provided evidence with a learning mind you simply cast it aside without even considering it. You sir are not interested in obtaining truth, you instead are stubborn in your ways and have a rebellious spirit. From this response of yours and several others i gather that if Jesus Himself came to you and you could touch Him, see Him, hear Him, it still would not be ample evidence.

But yet you have yet to realize, I have no issues believeing that Jesus is was real.

[EJ25RUN]

Did you even bother to look at any of that or watch even a little of the video? I am not here to preach a message, I am here to give scripture, spread the Word of God, give evidences, and occasionally defend my faith with said evidences.

Was the evil IA car god making fun of your Jesus so you came here to defend him?

[geoff]

QD- There is a difference in preaching my own words and my own message and preaching the gospel. Later, Geoff

[quickdodge®]

QD- There is a difference in preaching my own words and my own message and preaching the gospel. Later, Geoff

It's one and the same. Later, Your Father.

[stillaneon]

QD- There is a difference in preaching my own words and my own message and preaching the gospel. Later, Geoff

When you present yourself as a Christian, there is no difference. I don't work directly for Sprint, but I portray myself as a Sprint Representative. Customer that deals with me, deals with Sprint.

[geoff]

Customer that deals with me, deals with God. Yes this is true, but the difference is that I wont ever try and break it down and put my own thoughts and opinions and words into it. I will simply let the evidences and scripture speak for itself, but someone has to put it out there first ( that's where I come in ). I wont do like the verizon/at&t commercials and use false information and skewed facts to get someone on my side.

[quickdodge®]

Customer that deals with me, deals with God. Yes this is true, but the difference is that I wont ever try and break it down and put my own thoughts and opinions and words into it. I will simply let the evidences and scripture speak for itself, but someone has to put it out there first ( that's where I come in ).

Same thing, man. If you speak what you believe then you are speaking for yourself.

I wont do like the verizon/at&t commercials and use false information and skewed facts to get someone on my side.

Lolol. Sounds one and the same. Later, QD.

[ghostrida3]

first off, if geoff beleives(which coincendentally i believe) that there is a God and he sent Jesus to die for us to be saved from eternal damnation and restore us to him wouldnt he be evil not to try and discuss this w/ everyone he knew. even if he is wrong(which i dont think he is) but just for the sake of arguing he would have to be a pretty evil person not to share his beleifs so why give him such a hard time about it? its like he thinks he has the cure for cancer and all of us have cancer isnt it a good thing that he tries to give us the cure for cancer?
secondly this question is directed to qd. ime not sure if your an atheist or not and i am not givin you a hard time this is purely a academic question but if you dont believe in God why do you care about "morals" so to speak. if God doenst exist and there is no ultimate judge than what makes doin whatever you want regardless of the harm it does others wrong? If there is no God why do you care? who decides what is right or wrong and why does it matter?

[quickdodge®]

first off, if geoff beleives(which coincendentally i believe) that there is a God and he sent Jesus to die for us to be saved from eternal damnation and restore us to him wouldnt he be evil not to try and discuss this w/ everyone he knew. even if he is wrong(which i dont think he is) but just for the sake of arguing he would have to be a pretty evil person not to share his beleifs so why give him such a hard time about it? its like he thinks he has the cure for cancer and all of us have cancer isnt it a good thing that he tries to give us the cure for cancer?

Apples and oranges, man.

secondly this question is directed to qd. ime not sure if your an atheist or not and i am not givin you a hard time this is purely a academic question but if you dont believe in God why do you care about "morals" so to speak. if God doenst exist and there is no ultimate judge than what makes doin whatever you want regardless of the harm it does others wrong? If there is no God why do you care? who decides what is right or wrong and why does it matter?

Because morals and values aren't a religious thing. Common sense tells me what is right or wrong. Taking something that doesn't belong to you. Does that sound like a good thing? Taking someone's life. Does that sound like it would be ok to do? Does rape sound like it should be an ok ordeal? Come on, dude. The answer to that question is way too obvious, dude.

Not to mention the government says not to do these things.

Do you think atheists, just because they don't believe in God, should run around rampant and kill everyone that want to because they say there is no God?

And who said I didn't believe? Later, QD.

[geoff]

QD- I think some people might get confused on your beliefs because of some of your responses, no offense but your words are the words most atheists use. I am curious, what exactly do you believe?

[quickdodge®]

QD- I think some people might get confused on your beliefs because of some of your responses, no offense but your words are the words most atheists use. I am curious, what exactly do you believe?

Simply put, I, as well as probably anyone else, want to believe that there is a place that we all go to when we die and "live" happily ever after. I believe there is something there. I'm open to believe that there could be a God or something. What turns me off are the people that state things as fact when it is not a fact at all. Faith is not fact. It's a belief. I find nothing wrong with it. I find nothing wrong with people believing in God and His teachings/words. I think the Bible is a great story (true or not). I think the teachings are very much necessary. I think that it's a great "checklist" of a good life. But the reason I can't fully delve into a 100% belief is because I look at the reality side of things at the same time.

When you say that you don't want to talk with me because I'm not providing evidence of this or that, then what you're wanting is to get into a debate with some sort of professional on this. I'm not that one. The words you read from me are mine. Not words COPY/PASTE from a website. The words you read are my argument for my stand. They come from my mind and heart. Not some scientist. The only back up you need for my posts are my posts themselves because they are the words that I came up with so that you know what my thoughts are.

See where I'm at? I know it's confusing. You think people should be all the way to one or the other side. But it's just not that way. Later, QD.

[XanRules]

Simply put, I, as well as probably anyone else, want to believe that there is a place that we all go to when we die and "live" happily ever after. I believe there is something there. I'm open to believe that there could be a God or something. What turns me off are the people that state things as fact when it is not a fact at all. Faith is not fact. It's a belief. I find nothing wrong with it. I find nothing wrong with people believing in God and His teachings/words. I think the Bible is a great story (true or not). I think the teachings are very much necessary. I think that it's a great "checklist" of a good life. But the reason I can't fully delve into a 100% belief is because I look at the reality side of things at the same time.

When you say that you don't want to talk with me because I'm not providing evidence of this or that, then what you're wanting is to get into a debate with some sort of professional on this. I'm not that one. The words you read from me are mine. Not words COPY/PASTE from a website. The words you read are my argument for my stand. They come from my mind and heart. Not some scientist. The only back up you need for my posts are my posts themselves because they are the words that I came up with so that you know what my thoughts are.

See where I'm at? I know it's confusing. You think people should be all the way to one or the other side. But it's just not that way. Later, QD.

but but he has teh yewtoobs

[geoff]

QD- I can respect that, I too would love to give my own personal opinion but that quickly gets flamed. That is why I try and find research and what not to support my beliefs and defend it I guess. In all actuality there is no concrete evidence on either side of the spectrum. I guess it does just come down to faith, just takes a personal search. +1 to you bro, I have actually kinda enjoyed our back and forths lol.

[quickdodge®]

I too would love to give my own personal opinion but that quickly gets flamed.

To hail with the flaming. You do you because of you. Not because of anyone else.

In all actuality there is no concrete evidence on either side of the spectrum. I guess it does just come down to faith, just takes a personal search. +1 to you bro, I have actually kinda enjoyed our back and forths lol.

Perfect. Later, QD.

[RL...]

I am God, but instead of proving my existence in a logical manner I am taking control on nissantun3r's body and making him write my "word" to you lowly humans. I am here to let you know that this is in fact my word and christianity is the way to go. Or else....

If you want me to prove this is in fact from myself and not nissantun3r, let me tell you this. Prove that it isn't.

[geoff]

You were born and will one day die....that is all

[RL...]

You were born and will one day die....that is all

I may be the one person to live forever.

[geoff]

Would you be willing to test that theory?