medical study for speaking in tongues...discuss

[geoff]

i found this link the other day and it was very interesting. please discuss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbQBajYnEc

[quickdodge®]

Gibberish is all it is. Plain and simple. Even one the main dudes they interviewed said it. Anyone can stand up and do that, All I have to do right now is just say "fgrhghgsehghhbjsl;giogihighlodjsgjg" and I just spoke in tongue and God will figure out what I just said. Later, QD.

[geoff]

you obviously missed in the video how they did an mri and the area of the brain that involves speech is not even used. you also failed to see that the doctor doing the study stated that " it seems what they say about what they are experiencing matches to the mri scan"

[quickdodge®]

you obviously missed in the video how they did an mri and the area of the brain that involves speech is not even used. you also failed to see that the doctor doing the study stated that " it seems what they say about what they are experiencing matches to the mri scan"

Are you really a fucking idiot? I didn't obviously miss a goddamn thing. Don't talk down on me little boy. You fucking come in this section with your "holier than thou" bullshit all the time thinking your are God's fucking Pony Express. Just because you're a member (the only one I see) of the "Riding For God" crew doesn't make you better than any one of us other motherfuckers who are grounded to reality. Believe me, I'm not the only one that thinks this way.

YOU obviously missed where a guy that participates in this crap said himself that he just spews out whatever and that God interprets it to what he hears.

You need to quit coming in here with your condescending attitude, man. I've tried to be nice when you put yourself higher up, but no more. Later, QD.

[geoff]

talk down to you? please show me one example where i came in with a holier than thou mentality. please do. and please tell me where i put any of you down or said once that i am better than any of you. tell me where i came in here with a condencending attitude or where i put my self higher up. i posted a video and asked for others to discuss. i didnt put any of my oppinion or anything on it. so take your attitude somewhere else. you obviously have a higher issue than me.

[quickdodge®]

Many, many of your posts allude to the "fact" that you are better than others because of your new found belief in the Lord. It's the way you word your posts and replies that lets others see you for what we see you as. And you know it's true. I've addressed that on several occasions to you to which you completely ignored. And when someone ignores a question or "accusation," it usually means they have no response because they know what's up.

This thread right here is an example. Who the fuck are you to tell me what I did or did not do? I obviously watched it and listened or I wouldn't have known what I did type up. If I hadn't watched it, I would have posted some bullshit that had nothing to do with it.

All in all, you are acting like the true, stereotypical "Christian." Later, QD.

[geoff]

and just for your information qd the pastor never said it was gibberish that he was speaking. he said God uses what sounds like gibberish just like any language would sound like gibberish and interpret it for His use. please refer to the video at 1:50-2:03 for the correct quotation of what he said, not what you interpreted. thankx

[S2KJD]

wow this thread was taken out of context real quick

seems personal...

[99hatch]

I believe the original use of tongues is true. The true life examples i have heard or read about in the bible, where used to speak a religion that someone wouldnt know. Not like just yelling out gibberish. Example: Someone preaching in china, but doesnt know Chinese. So through the help of God, is able to speak some Chinese to help get the message across. Also speaking old languages that are not spoken anymore, But i think some of the people who claim to speak tongues are not really doing anything, but yelling out Gibberish.

[geoff]

to qd-^shows that you didnt pay attention to what his actual words were. and here i am, bring you accusation against me. you said from the way i word my posts or the words i say "allude" to me saying im better than everyone cuz my faith. this allusion your refering to is based on yours and a few others OWN interpretation. i never once said im better, your going to hell, your stupid, ect...you took my words and interpreted them as what it meant to you.

yeah it does almost seem personal.

[The Creeper]

Hahaha.... Nice find, so damn funny...

[quickdodge®]

wow this thread was taken out of context real quick

seems personal...

Not personal at all. I don't know the dude. I don't care much for people that think they are above me (for no apparent reason at that) to talk to me in any sort of way. I just finally let him in on what the deal is. No big deal. Later, QD.

[geoff]

99hatch- i agree with you for the most part, that is one way of the tongues. the bible gives to examples of speaking in tongues. the first is like you said, to give a message to someone or the church, this is where there will be a message given in tongues and someone through the spirit will interpret it. really cool stuff.

the second is when the Holy Spirit is making utterances for you. its praying for things you dont know to pray for. its your own personal line with God. some people are doing it for show tho. its very sad. thats why Jesus said not to be like those who pray loud for all to see and use many words to make themselves seem holy.

[quickdodge®]

this allusion your refering to is based on yours and a few others OWN interpretation.

Why don't you think about that then? Later, QD.

[The Creeper]

Christians crack me up.

[geoff]

like i said, here i am, bring your accusation against me. ive done no wrong and if you have been offended its not by my words but by the Spirit convicting you

[quickdodge®]

like i said, here i am, bring your accusation against me. ive done no wrong and if you have been offended its not by my words but by the Spirit convicting you

Lolol. Later, QD.

[The Creeper]

Question for you people of "faith;" what is the point of prayer?

[geoff]

the point of prayer? thats actually a good question.

the point of prayer for me is this, i pray to thank God for everything going on in my life, i praise Him for His goodness and love, i ask Him to help me overcome my selfish desires, to be a worthy vessel to be used by Him, i ask Him to touch certain situations in my life that i need help with, i ask Him to help my family and friends, ect...the purpose of prayer is to get close with the Lord. just like any relationship, you have to talk to the person to grow deeper, to get answers, ect. prayer is just a personal conversation we with faith have with God.

[geoff]

and to be honest with you on here that leave me negative reps or challenge me on issues i have this scripture as to why your offended "Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, “ Behold, I lay in Zion, A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.” Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,“ The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone,” and “ A stone of stumbling And a rock of offense."
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed. But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;" 1peter 2:6-9


the bible says that your not offended by my words but by the Word of God, which is as a sharp sword, that pierces to the flesh, and convicts you and offends you because you dont see with your eyes, or comprehend with your ears, because your hearts are hardened

[StreetHazard]

Are you really a fucking idiot? I didn't obviously miss a goddamn thing. Don't talk down on me little boy. You fucking come in this section with your "holier than thou" bullshit all the time thinking your are God's fucking Pony Express. Just because you're a member (the only one I see) of the "Riding For God" crew doesn't make you better than any one of us other motherfuckers who are grounded to reality. Believe me, I'm not the only one that thinks this way.

YOU obviously missed where a guy that participates in this crap said himself that he just spews out whatever and that God interprets it to what he hears.

You need to quit coming in here with your condescending attitude, man. I've tried to be nice when you put yourself higher up, but no more. Later, QD.

This man's fiery temper made me laugh out loud

I might be wrong but QD's posts usually seem so "politically correct". You made the man lose it...Do you see how you infuriate with your nonsense Geoff?

[quickdodge®]

the bible says that your not offended by my words but by the Word of God, which is as a sharp sword, that pierces to the flesh, and convicts you and offends you because you dont see with your eyes, or comprehend with your ears, because your hearts are hardened

See? With every post you make, you prove my point. You probably won't bother to analyze that just as you haven't with my other posts to you. Later, QD.

[StreetHazard]

like i said, here i am, bring your accusation against me. ive done no wrong and if you have been offended its not by my words but by the Spirit convicting you

Ohhhhh for fuck's sake! BWHAHAHA, that is a good one! I'm going to use that if I get caught cheating on a girlfriend!

[geoff]

i will analyze it, the words i said above are not my own but biblical, "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."hebrews 4:12( written by paul, inspired by God) and then this...

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." 2 timothy 3:1-5( again not my own words ) and this.....

"He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." john 12:40 and then this...............

"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 timothy 3:7


so who do you have a problem with? its not with me or with God, its with your own flesh. i have not put my own words, i have used scripture, i have not condemned anyone for their beliefs nor judged them. so please take the time and search within yourself and see what the real problem is

[quickdodge®]

so who do you have a problem with? its not with me or with God, its with your own flesh. i have not put my own words, i have used scripture, i have not condemned anyone for their beliefs nor judged them. so please take the time and search within yourself and see what the real problem is

Again with proving my point. You don't see shit, man. All you see are the word of God passing through your fingertips as if you're His messenger boy. I know what I'm talking about. If I say I have a problem with how you talk to people on here, then I mean I have a problem with how YOU talk to people on here. If I had a problem with God, I'd say it. I don't give a fuck what you're saying or who the fuck it came from. Again you tout yourself as the speaker of the word of God by trolling through here and spitting out Biblical verses as if you were on a higher plane.

Basically, you aren't shit to tell me who I have a problem with. That's just showing me that I'm right about my opinion of you. You're always quick to tell me what my problem is when I flat out tell you what the fuck it is. Later, QD.

[bdydrpdmazda]

Speaking in tongues is said to be God giving somebody in church a message for them to pass on to the rest of the church. There is more to is than making up some language.

[geoff]

your still not making sense brother. my bible tells me to go out and preach the gospel to everyone. i dont give my own interpretation i read the gospel to others, or in this case type it. if im going to tell someone about God, or faith, or the works of the Spirit would i not use the bible? i say it how it is man. i find it ironic that people just like you will get offended with Biblical scripture, and then blow up and when the christian presenting it gets pissed you say " ah hah!!!!! your not doing what the bible says. you got angry so your not christian!!!!!" honestly i dont care what your opinion of me is. your almost 40 years old and are big enough to make your own judgements. i let the word speak for itself. go ahead and say see, you did it again. and for your information.....i am one of God's messengers, im witnessing and telling people about God, im giving His message. so in turn i am one of His many messengers.

[quickdodge®]

i find it ironic that people just like you will get offended with Biblical scripture, and then blow up and when the christian presenting it gets pissed you say " ah hah!!!!! your not doing what the bible says. you got angry so your not christian!!!!!"

You dummy. You made absolutely no sense. And who are "people just like" me? You're doing your same goddamn ritual that you speak for me. Do you think I'm God or something? You're a fucking dumb motherfucker to keep coming back like you know who I am from what you fucking see on a monitor. Why don't you stop acting like you know what's going on inside of me? That's the same attitude I keep telling you that you have.

im witnessing and telling people about God

You're actually witnessing what you think is God. You really should check yourself on how you talk to people, man. I see you being one of those madmen on street corners holding up those FEAR GOD signs. Later, QD.

[geoff]

yes i am witnessing to people telling them about my God. say what you want. think what you want. i dont instill people with fear of God, i get them to see the love of God

[ISAtlanta300]

Speaking in tongues is said to be God giving somebody in church a message for them to pass on to the rest of the church. There is more to is than making up some language.

So why doesn't the Omnipotent speak just plain english, a language that HE invented? He certainly understands me and you when we pray in English?

[ISAtlanta300]

you obviously missed in the video how they did an mri and the area of the brain that involves speech is not even used. you also failed to see that the doctor doing the study stated that " it seems what they say about what they are experiencing matches to the mri scan"

OF COURSE the area that involves speech is not even used... because IT ISN'T SPEECH !! IT IS NOISE! NO different than me making farting noises with my mouth.

I bet they forgot to look for the 'creative' part of the brain... probably lit up like a christmas tree..........

[bodhi]

i found this link the other day and it was very interesting. please discuss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbQBajYnEc

dithagont yithagou withagish yithagou nithagew jithagibbithagerithagish

you are now saved my child

[The Creeper]

the point of prayer? thats actually a good question.

the point of prayer for me is this, i pray to thank God for everything going on in my life, i praise Him for His goodness and love, i ask Him to help me overcome my selfish desires, to be a worthy vessel to be used by Him, i ask Him to touch certain situations in my life that i need help with, i ask Him to help my family and friends, ect...the purpose of prayer is to get close with the Lord. just like any relationship, you have to talk to the person to grow deeper, to get answers, ect. prayer is just a personal conversation we with faith have with God.

Well seeing how you believe in the super being that is god, the all knowing god if you will, why bother praying. He already should know your thoughts, so why do you repeat your thoughts to him....

[geoff]

because God wants to hear us. He wants us to speak to Him and He will speak to us. kinda like a child and a father. the child wants something and the Father knows, sometimes the Father just wants to hear his child say, " i love you daddy, can i have this?" its all about a personal relationship.

to isatlanta300- the reason God does not speak in plain english is this, in the old testament God spoke to the people and they couldnt stand the presence, they asked Him not to do it again because they were affraid. and, God does not speak in a human language because our flesh is vile and He cant use it. He uses the Holy Spirit that can dwell in you to speak. He also uses His word and prophecy to speak to His people

[bodhi]

God does not speak in a human language because our flesh is vile and He cant use it. He uses the Holy Spirit that can dwell in you to speak. He also uses His word and prophecy to speak to His people

how do you know this?

and do you have any evidence to support this claim?

[bu villain]

to isatlanta300- the reason God does not speak in plain english is this, in the old testament God spoke to the people and they couldnt stand the presence, they asked Him not to do it again because they were affraid. and, God does not speak in a human language because our flesh is vile and He cant use it. He uses the Holy Spirit that can dwell in you to speak. He also uses His word and prophecy to speak to His people

God's english is too awesome for you to handle!!! He can create heaven and earth but speaking directly to people in english is beyond his power. Now if only the Holy Spirit could learn English, we'd be in business.

[geoff]

bohdi- i know this because i have witnessed/experienced it. i have been in service where God called my name out, im the only nathan in church. i have witnessed prophecy happen for others lives where God called out there sin and told them to repent, i have witnessed a tongues message and interpretation for the church. i have prayed for something and asked God to give me an answer and opened my Bible and the first thing i laid my eyes on was my answer. i wish you could experience the feeling you get inside of you when a prophecy is given. you get a fire burning sensation in your chest, you get the chills in your spine, and you feel humbled as if your an ant standing in the presence of an elephant. my words cant explain it alone. you would have to experience it for
yourself. and i invite you to, i would love to bring you to a service one sunday if you wish to see where im coming from.

buvillian- your pretty much right on the money, God's voice is too awesome for us to handle. the bible says that when Jesus appeared to John in the book of revelations that His voice was like thunder and lightning and that john fell on his face as if dead. it is not beyond God's power to speak directly to us, our flesh and sins seperate us from Him and put up a barrier, we are polluted whereas God is pure. He can not use a polluted form to communicate with people. but as with bohdi i invite you to come experience Him for yourself and make up your judgements after

[bodhi]

know what geoff? you are one determined individual

what church do you go to?

[geoff]

its called new life apostolic. its like 10 minutes from athens. you know what buddy i would be willing to meet you up and drive you there if you like. i have been on this site for a while now witnessing and telling people about my Jesus and faith. what would it hurt some of you to come check it out?

[StreetHazard]

You should go Bodhi! and take QD with you...

Lemme know how it goes, and be sure to take note of any slutty christian females in desperate need of rebelling against their strict, rigid and very unfun ideologies. You can just point them into my direction and I will handle them accordingly.