Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
how can you fight for a belief in nothing? how can you persuade people to give up hope, faith, morals, and values?
Aren't you fighting the same fight? Don't you have a belief in nothing? Without proof of God's existence, you believe in a nothing yourself. And you have a distorted view of words and their definitions. So you think without God, you can't have hope? Faith? Morals? Values?

Every day I hope I wake up and have a great day. I hope to that my children have a great life ahead of them.
I have faith in myself that I can go to work, do my job satisfactory and get home to see my family.
Morals and values? I was taught, by my grandparents and Mom, never to hit a woman. To say yes ma'am and no sir. Taught never to steal. Taught to treat people right. I don't make fun of the handicapped. I don't make fun of people in dire situations.

I bring these attributes upon myself without the aid of God. Contrary to your beliefs, you don't need God to have hope, faith, morals and values. You only need a mind.
Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
i have to say on the abortion side, dont matter how you look at it its wrong.
Quote Originally Posted by StreetHazard View Post
but a 3 week old snot ball of congregated cells is not a human.

your not a human until you have a social security number or your in my phone list.
I completely disagree. You're a human as soon as you develop human-like qualities.

Quote Originally Posted by TIGERJC View Post
I believe it is the woman's choice and as long as the baby is inside her it is still her decision.
I agree and disagree. I think it should be the woman's choice. I think it should be ok in extreme situations. If a woman is raped and gets pregnant. And I mean raped. Not like going home drunk with someone and getting laid or whatever. I mean walking in your home and someone attacks you and does the evil deed. If the woman is in a life-threatening position because of the baby. Incest. Those are the only legit (to me) reasons to opt for abortion. Later, QD.