Close-minded Christians?

[1zach4]

I'm sick of people on here labelling Christians as "Close-minded"

Why are we considered close-minded? Why are you not close-minded? What makes you more open than Christians?

It just pisses me off because the people that call us close-minded spend all of their time on here putting Christians down, and never actually look at their own lives and try to make some sense of it and think about what might actually happen once they die. Have any of you ever thought about a little something called "eternity"?

I ask all of you to look up some people such as Pastor Johnny Hunt of First Baptist Church of Woodstock, or Tony Nolan of FBCW and TNT Ministries, or Dr. Ergun Caner of Liberty University, or Josh McDowell, and David Nasser.

Look up one or two of them and see what they have to say and then come back and let me know what you think.

Until then, please quit with this close-minded crap, i'm sorry the path to Heaven is narrow and the path to destruction is wide...doesn't mean you have to call me close-minded because you think it is unfair that there is only one way to get into Heaven. God is just, and he wouldn't be a just God if he let just anyone in through any religion now would He?

If you believe that any religion gets you into heaven, then just think about your little idea this way: If any religion leads to Heaven, then every road in America should lead to the same point. Next time you get stuck in traffic on 75 North, or 285...just get off at the next exit and go the opposite way because if your "theory" is correct then you should get home going 75 south just as fast as you would 75 north.

[Killer]

I hear ya man.... though i get the analogy it still doesn't quite fit... but the devil always finds a way to tell u your wrong about Christianity... It can come from people, or life experciences... But that's just another way to prove you're right... When us Christians start speaking the truth, or doing what God wants us to do... the satan is always gonna try to stop us.... so just keep on keepin on man.. God bless!

[The Yousef]

If you believe that any religion gets you into heaven, then just think about your little idea this way: If any religion leads to Heaven, then every road in America should lead to the same point. Next time you get stuck in traffic on 75 North, or 285...just get off at the next exit and go the opposite way because if your "theory" is correct then you should get home going 75 south just as fast as you would 75 north.

we'll all find out sooner or later if your ''theory'' is correct also

yousef

[collins]

lol yousef. you crazy mofo. see, you need to check out people such as our club.. if you call us closed minded, then, wow. lol we've got me and jm on the christian side (no we're not hard core, but we do have our beliefs), yousef on the muslim side, josh, karen, and mikey (mikey's not actually inthe club, but he hangs all the time with us) oh the jewish side, and we all get along as one big happy family. we accept each other's beliefs and leave it at that. if someone wants to join in on any given religion, they'll find their way to it.

[malfeas99]

If you believe that any religion gets you into heaven, then just think about your little idea this way: If any religion leads to Heaven, then every road in America should lead to the same point. Next time you get stuck in traffic on 75 North, or 285...just get off at the next exit and go the opposite way because if your "theory" is correct then you should get home going 75 south just as fast as you would 75 north.

The fact that you actually think such a corollary is legitimate shows me that you have far more serious problems than being narrow-minded.

You just can't think, period.

[1zach4]

thanks killer...I spent a lot of time in prayer last night and before I even read what you wrote that is what I felt God was telling me.

Even though a majority of the people on here will call other Christians close-minded and ignorant, I have to keep on trying to get the Word out to them because all of the negative feedback is just Satan trying to keep me from telling people about Jesus. If even one person on this board read something I wrote and it planted a seed in their mind about Jesus that He later cultivated and saved that person...I'd be completely satsfied

[1zach4]

i'm not saying my example is "legitimate" it is just an analogy to get people to think...

telling me that I can't think, and looking at my analogy that way shows me that you weren't thinking.

[tony]

The fact that you actually think such a corollary is legitimate shows me that you have far more serious problems than being narrow-minded.

You just can't think, period.

I have to agree here, I dont criticize christians but damn if a good majority arent the most closed minded people I've ever met. Quick to cast stones with glass houses, I grew up christian so I've been there. Many believe that their way of life is the only way of life, that they are the righteous and the rest will just burn in hell because they dont have the same faith.

Its so funny because I've never questioned god but I do question those christians that feel they have the right to point fingers. Do you know my relationship with god? No, then you cant judge what I do.

In all honesty I look at the whole heaven and hell thing as a metaphor rather than a place. I may not be in church every sunday but if I leave this earth KNOWING I made a difference in someones life that was positive, especially my son then my soul will rest peacefully regardless of what is waiting for me on the other side, it really pisses me off when people try to use heaven and hell as a scare tactic to get people in church and pay tithes.

Please don't take this the wrong way, I am not attacking you personally but you brought up the subject, this is my response.

[1zach4]

Heaven and Hell is not just a "scare tactic"

People that call it a scare tactic are the ones that just can't seem to fathom that God, being such a loving, just, and righteous God, would actually condemn someone to eternity away from Him in Hell.

If you call it a scare tactic it is because you don't want to believe that if you live a "good life" you can still go to Hell. There have been Nobel Peace Prize winners that were not Christians when they died...Ghandi was not a Christian...other great people throughout history were not Christian...guess where they are right now? Hell...simple as that. Anyone that has ever lived throughout history is still alive...either in Heaven, or Hell. Get used to it.

[malfeas99]

i'm not saying my example is "legitimate" it is just an analogy to get people to think...

telling me that I can't think, and looking at my analogy that way shows me that you weren't thinking.

It is a completely fallacious analogy.

You are comparing physical roads to the tenets of different religions. Using your example, obviously not all roads lead to the same place, but did it occur to you that perhaps there's more than one destination, beyond your heaven and your hell?

No, it didn't, because you thought there was a hell before Jesus, and that everyone went there, because before him it was REALLY HARD to go to heaven.

There's nothing worse than a stupid zealot.

[1zach4]

Do some more research malfeas before you call me a "stupid" zealot.

You won't be laughing if you're not on the right side of your salvation when Jesus returns or you die

[tony]

Heaven and Hell is not just a "scare tactic"

People that call it a scare tactic are the ones that just can't seem to fathom that God, being such a loving, just, and righteous God, would actually condemn someone to eternity away from Him in Hell.

If you call it a scare tactic it is because you don't want to believe that if you live a "good life" you can still go to Hell. There have been Nobel Peace Prize winners that were not Christians when they died...Ghandi was not a Christian...other great people throughout history were not Christian...guess where they are right now? Hell...simple as that. Anyone that has ever lived throughout history is still alive...either in Heaven, or Hell. Get used to it.

You proved my point with that post right there.. first who are you to say if they are in heaven or hell? You only know what you have read, did you know the man? Did you know his relationship with god? No, and just the fact that you say "get used to it" only proves how closed minded you are because to you there is no other way.

[malfeas99]

Do some more research malfeas before you call me a "stupid" zealot.

You won't be laughing if you're not on the right side of your salvation when Jesus returns or you die

As has been demonstrated in other threads, I am far more well versed in theology (both in your own religion and others) than you.

This only makes your position more embarassing for yourself.

I'm done with you, I could get a better conversation from my dog.

Beware, 1zach4, the Keebler elves are the true lords and saviors, they are the only true path to heaven! Laugh now, but you won't be giggling when you're burning in the fires of their cookie ovens! How do I know this? Because this book 'The Keebler Elves Are Awesome' says so!

Sound stupid? That's how you sound to everyone else. Get used to -that-, poindexter.

[quickdodge®]

Goddamn(ooops) 1Zach4, shut the fucc up will you! I'veproven to you time and time again that you are close-minded and I am not. Does all this prayer that you do inhibit your reading skills..or maybe your comprehension skills? Hey! I think Holy Rollers car club is calling you. Later, QD.

[1zach4]

i'm going to leave on this note right here:

Jesus Christ is Lord, and the only way to Heaven is through Him. If you try any other way you will come up terribly short. My faith will get me into Heaven, and I will pray for the rest of you.

[tony]

I'll leave the thread with a quote from Tupac:

"We probably in Hell already, our dumb asses not knowin
Everybody kissin ass to go to heaven ain't goin"

[quickdodge®]

i'm going to leave on this note right here:

Jesus Christ is Lord, and the only way to Heaven is through Him. If you try any other way you will come up terribly short. My faith will get me into Heaven, and I will pray for the rest of you.

I don't need your prayer, dude. Later, QD.

[1zach4]

If you are not Christian then i'm afraid you do

[quickdodge®]

Who said I wasn't?

Even if I am or not..no I don't. Later, QD.

[1zach4]

I'll be praying for you

[quickdodge®]

What happened to you leaving this thread?

Is your "faith" telling you not to? Your work is not done until you convince these lost souls to join us. Pray for them, my child, lest thoust doesn'st knowest what the hell is goingst on.

Later, QD.

[1zach4]

once again...i'll pray for you, because you need it

[malfeas99]

Question: How would praying for someone help? What precisely are you praying for?

I mean, the only thing you could pray is that someone would 'come to their senses' and accept your narrowly and strictly defined cosmology.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If God is the kind of person that would take someone like you into heaven, and send someone like Ghandi to hell, then I think I'll go ahead and pick hell just on principle.

I do not want to spend eternity with your inanity.

Actually, my hell may just end up being to join you in heaven, and have to deal with you and people like you every day, all day, for the rest of eternity.

Fuck.

[C22H19N3O4]

Dear Jesus Junkie (aka Zach),
Please read the following quote very carefully:
"The man who is always worrying about whether or not his soul would be damned generally has a soul that isn’t worth a damn." Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

[1zach4]

Dear pharm teg,
I don't worry about whether or not my soul would be damned, because I know that when I die, I will be in Heaven for eternity with my Savior Jesus Christ.

and Malfeas99...your insults don't hurt me or shake my faith...so save yourself some time and quit trying to put me down because i'm a christian and actually know the Truth.

[quickdodge®]

i'm a christian and actually know the Truth.

How contradictory. You don't know the truth. You think you know the truth. Remember. You base your "knowledge" on faith, not facts. How conveniently you forget that shit. You don't really know shit. Later, QD.

[malfeas99]

Dear pharm teg,
I don't worry about whether or not my soul would be damned, because I know that when I die, I will be in Heaven for eternity with my Savior Jesus Christ.

and Malfeas99...your insults don't hurt me or shake my faith...so save yourself some time and quit trying to put me down because i'm a christian and actually know the Truth.

You wouldn't need faith if religion was based on fact. I don't know why you even bother making the audacious claim that christianity is somehow 'fact based'. If that were the case, there'd be no faith necessary.

[The Yousef]

wow....1zach4 is making a great case on how he's not a close minded christian...

yousef

[4dmin]

isn't open-mindness "curiosity"...??? isn't that what happened in the garden of eden? look where it got your people... so w/ that said how can a christian be open minded?

[Jimmy B]

i am christian, and i am open minded,... i listen, and respect other religions, but i will always try to get anyone and everyone to a christian church, because that is what i believe is right, and the way to heaven, Jesus Christ, and God..

call me close minded, but that is what i beleve.. others believe there religions, but im not calling you close minded..

i do try to find out what otehr religions are all about, im not changing from christianiaty, but i do like to know what goes on.

Zach, i like what you are doing, but in a diverse crowd like this, you cant preach so hard... tone it down a little bit, and peopel will respect it a little more, and might be intristed in it, rather than pushing it away so fast....

[Wedge]

I see it the other way around.. the people that don't want to admit that there even is a chance that there might be a God or even think that there could be are closed minded

[ISAtlanta300]

isn't open-mindness "curiosity"...??? isn't that what happened in the garden of eden? look where it got your people... so w/ that said how can a christian be open minded?

Nah that was disobedience...

[1zach4]

finally some people somewhat on my side...or technically Christ's side.

[4dmin]

Nah that was disobedience...

so your a slave/dog/puppet???

[quickdodge®]

i will always try to get anyone and everyone to a christian church.

That is what I hate about Christian people. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

I see it the other way around.. the people that don't want to admit that there even is a chance that there might be a God or even think that there could be are closed minded

I never said that. All you idiots keep assuming that I don't believe just because I'm not stupidly inclined about it. Later, QD.

[Jimmy B]

That is what I hate about Christian people. Later, QD.

i will try to get non-believers to church mike, but i dont push.. i believe(opinion) that everyone has a time and place to hear the gospel.. but im not going to preach down your throught to get you there, that jsut pushes people away...

[ISAtlanta300]

so your a slave/dog/puppet???

No, are you? I mean u are following rules everyday right?

If God tells you not to eat from the tree, why do you feel the need to test him?

It is like God telling you not to jump off the cliff because you will die, and you doing it to "test" to see if it is true....

[4dmin]

No, are you? I mean u are following rules everyday right?

If God tells you not to eat from the tree, why do you feel the need to test him?

It is like God telling you not to jump off the cliff because you will die, and you doing it to "test" to see if it is true....

like i said how is obeying being OPEN-MINDED?

[b18hb]

like i said how is obeying being OPEN-MINDED?

how is obeying being close-minded? perhaps in extreme cases, some christians could be considered that way (the renaissance), but christians have tolerated and lived alongside people with other beliefs since it originated. sure they teach their religion and attempt to draw people to it, because they believe it is right. christians learn about different beliefs throughout their lives, and most are receptive to many of the ideas or concepts that different beliefs present.

i do think it is incorrect to consider a christian close-minded because they won't try out a different religion or belief system. christianity is a way of life. people are not born christians and have to make a decision as to accept it or deny it. before they accept christ, i'd say they're in that state of open-mindedness that you refer to. they utilize that open-mindedness and make an educated decsion based on what they've learned. once they've accepted the belief system, however, they become somewhat limited as to what behavior is accepted. this isn't to say that they are close minded to that behavior (many christians bathed in some of the activites that christianity prohibits before they took on the religion), but that in their open-mindedness, chose christianity over that behavior.

open-minded is to have an understanding or a knowlege of something, be it first or second hand

close-minded is to deny any and all information relating to something.