Close-minded Christians?

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Originally Posted by malfeas99

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If God is the kind of person that would take someone like you into heaven, and send someone like Ghandi to hell, then I think I'll go ahead and pick hell just on principle.

I do not want to spend eternity with your inanity.

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Although I understand some of your sentiment and even agree on some level I must say this....

Not to say I know or have any idea where anyone here will end up, I'm not the Judge....God is...thats the neat thing about God...he doesnt force anyone to live with Him in heaven, if you (or I) dont want to go there you (or I) won't..you'll (we'll) end up in the opposite "place"...right where you (or we) wanted to go and chose to be. ;)

There is only one thing we all are forced to do whether we think so or not...thats choose. We can choose life, we can choose death...theres absolutely no way to do neither.

That being said, if youre bothered by many of the professed "christians" as I often am, take comfort, don't be distracted by them, most people who "profess" Christianity won't be in heaven...thats what the good Book teaches.

PEACE

ok i hope this isnt referring to anything i have stated.
cause i have NEVER said that all christians are close minded

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Originally Posted by Wedge

I see it the other way around.. the people that don't want to admit that there even is a chance that there might be a God or even think that there could be are closed minded

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name one person on here like that

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Originally Posted by b18hb

open-minded is to have an understanding or a knowlege of something, be it first or second hand

close-minded is to deny any and all information relating to something.

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thats the problem w/ most christians they do know UNDERSTAND or KNOW they own religion enough to know of anything else....

*and before the pitchfork & torch marches start against my generalization...

i am correct with those statements, most christians do not even practice their religion, you can see it day in and day out on any given street/home/town etc...

with that said you are not knowlegable if you don't even know what you claim to practice.

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Originally Posted by admin

most christians do not even practice their religion, you can see it day in and day out on any given street/home/town etc....

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Here here. I will have to definitely agree with that.
Most only "profess" their christian religion, which in simple terms would be to love one another as themselves. Instead most professed "christians" treat others like crap....or worse. One has to look no father then history to see that millions have been burned at the stake, tortured, brutalized etc....all the the name of "christianity"....but alas, these/those are NOT the true Christians. ;)

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Originally Posted by admin

thats the problem w/ most christians they do know UNDERSTAND or KNOW they own religion enough to know of anything else....

*and before the pitchfork & torch marches start against my generalization...

i am correct with those statements, most christians do not even practice their religion, you can see it day in and day out on any given street/home/town etc...

with that said you are not knowlegable if you don't even know what you claim to practice.

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i have not seen any polls to support this, but with the impression i'm left, it does appear that most christians fail in their efforts to live by the good book. however, i do think that it is more likely that christians who have been babtised (not people who say they're christians exclusively because they believe in god or their parents brought them up that way) are much more likely to put an effort forward in living as instructed.

it is impossible to go through life as a normal individual without committing sin. according to the bible, jesus was the only man, who also happened to be the son of god, to live life without sin. what the bible instructs is for you to recognize that sin and eliminate it by doing whatever it takes. you're constantly molding yourself. naturally, some folks are more dedicated than others and make more efficient progress accordingly.

i also agree with the part of your statement referring to people's knowlege of christianity. i am certainly not as educated as i feel i should be, but i do understand most of the concepts and i am able to implement right and wrong (for the most part). i do not know every detail, but i do not feel like it is necessary to know every nook and cranny of the religion (although more complete knowledge does lead to better discussion). i disagree with the second part of your remark however, because i feel like you can have a basic understanding of other religions or belief systems without having a complete understanding of your own. the information relating to other religion is not dependent on one's knowledge of their own religion.

i revert to what i said previously. a person isn't born a christian, they decided to take it in. a person chooses christianity over all other options, all of which have been studied in depth and certainly create an opportunity to educate oneself in order to make the best decision.

Here's an example of how hypocritical some people down here in the Bible-Belt can be. I went to a small college for my first two years. In class one day, I talked about how I felt a lot of the self-proclaimed church goers are nothing but hypocrites. I talked about how I prefer to just pray alone and only share God with myself or friends/family rather than go to Church because of the way many people are. I, in no way am claiming to follow the religion to a T because I admit that I am nowhere close to being a perfect person. I commit sins every day. Anyways, back to the story, what ended up with the result of my talk about the Church? Well, my car got nicely christened by one of those hypocrites. I had the new addition of two, big Jesus fishes on the hood of my car. Some high and mighty Christian that didn't like what I said obviously felt they'd try to ingrain Christianity into my car or something. I'm sorry, but people in the Bible-Belt are close-minded and are hypocritical. I've had many friends from many areas of the world with many different religions and I've never tried to force Christianity on them. That is their choice, they know I'm a Christian, and if they want to talk about it, then I'll talk about it.

soobaroo not to be a fag.... but to say that you are a christian and you only tell ppl about christ when they want to hear it is against the whole reason why we are here.... Christians are here to inform others about gods love not just keep it to ourselves untill someone asks.... i say this because if you truly cared about ur friends you would want to tell them about the only way for them to go to heaven. And GOD loves you all christian and atheist alike...

undojesus.org

what the fuck is wrong with you fuckin people...didnt you know that worshipping god is the only way to get to heaven and,not to mention,WASTE ALL YOUR FUCKIN TIME......believe what what you wish,just shut the fuck up about it,this is why i HATE your choices,you pushy fuckin assholes..SHUT THE FUCK UP ....GO TO CHURCH ALL YOU WANT,TRY TO GET PEOPLE SAVED,DO WHAT YOU WANT,BUT WHEN SOMEONE REJECTS YOUR BELIEFS DONT JUDGE THEM...JUST REMEMBER WORSHIPPING A GOD IS A PERSONAL CHOICE FOR YOU ,NOT FOR ALL OF US TO HEAR ABOUT..I PERSONALLY DONT GIVE A FUCK,SO SHUT UP...OH YEA AND GOD HATES YOU AND IF JESUS COMES BACK WE WILL KILL HIM AGAIN..NOW FUCK OFF!

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Originally Posted by b@d @pple

OH YEA AND GOD HATES YOU AND IF JESUS COMES BACK WE WILL KILL HIM AGAIN..NOW FUCK OFF!

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hahahaha your a dumbass!! "we" as you say didnt kill Jesus. he was sacrificed not killed. i dont go to church but i believe in Jesus and God. thats all that really matters to be honest. but you, you are a complete fool. and no im not judging you saying you will go to hell or what not but that statement just shows your a dumbass.

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Originally Posted by FC-YA

hahahaha your a dumbass!!

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Originally Posted by FC-YA

but you, you are a complete fool.

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Originally Posted by FC-YA

just shows your a dumbass.

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Originally Posted by FC-YA

and no im not judging you

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Notice, if you will, how the first three comments are negative comments towards another person. Then take a look at #4. You, sir, are the true Christians that make Christianity look bad. Hypocritical in the same goddamn sentence. Later, QD.

:smileowne

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Originally Posted by quickdodge®

Notice, if you will, how the first three comments are negative comments towards another person. Then take a look at #4. You, sir, are the true Christians that make Christianity look bad. Hypocritical in the same goddamn sentence. Later, QD.

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just because they are negative remarks does not mean that i judged him. i said that his comments were pretty much were stupid. i didnt say he was going to hell or anything of that matter in my comment. now if i would have said that he was going to hell casue what he typed then that would be judging him. i can say your a jackass and not be judging you. thats just me calling you a jackass (not meaning that you QD are a jackass just using a example)

here:

Main Entry: 1neg·a·tive
Pronunciation: 'ne-g&-tiv
Function: adjective
1 a : marked by denial, prohibition, or refusal <received a negative answer>; also : marked by absence, withholding, or removal of something positive <the negative motivation of shame -- Garrett Hardin> b (1) : denying a predicate of a subject or a part of a subject <"no A is B" is a negative proposition> (2) : denoting the absence or the contradictory of something <nontoxic is a negative term> (3) : expressing negation <negative particles such as no and not> c : ADVERSE, UNFAVORABLE <the reviews were mostly negative>
2 a : lacking positive qualities; especially : DISAGREEABLE b : marked by features of hostility, withdrawal, or pessimism that hinder or oppose constructive treatment or development <a negative outlook> <negative criticism>
3 a (1) : less than zero and opposite in sign to a positive number that when added to the given number yields zero <-2 is a negative number> (2) : having more outgo than income : constituting a loss <negative cash flow> <negative worth> b : extending or generated in a direction opposite to an arbitrarily chosen regular direction or position <negative angle>
4 a : being, relating to, or charged with electricity of which the electron is the elementary unit b : having more electrons than protons <a negative ion> c (1) : having lower electric potential and constituting the part toward which the current flows from the external circuit <the negative pole> (2) : being the electron-emitting electrode of an electron tube
5 a : not affirming the presence of the organism or condition in question <a negative TB test> b : directed or moving away from a source of stimulation <negative tropism> c : less than the pressure of the atmosphere <negative pressure>
6 : having the light and dark parts in approximately inverse order to those of the original photographic subject
7 of a lens : diverging light rays and forming a virtual inverted image

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Main Entry: 1judge
Pronunciation: 'j&j
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): judged; judg·ing
Etymology: Middle English juggen, from Old French jugier, from Latin judicare, from judic-, judex judge, from jus right, law + dicere to decide, say -- more at JUST, DICTION
transitive senses
1 : to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises
2 : to sit in judgment on : TRY
3 : to determine or pronounce after inquiry and deliberation
4 : GOVERN, RULE -- used of a Hebrew tribal leader
5 : to form an estimate or evaluation of; especially : to form a negative opinion about <shouldn't judge him because of his accent>
6 : to hold as an opinion : GUESS, THINK <I judge she knew what she was doing>
intransitive senses
1 : to form an opinion
2 : to decide as a judge

and just for some extra measures here

Main Entry: judg·ment
Variant(s): or judge·ment /'j&j-m&nt/
Function: noun
1 a : a formal utterance of an authoritative opinion b : an opinion so pronounced
2 a : a formal decision given by a court b (1) : an obligation (as a debt) created by the decree of a court (2) : a certificate evidencing such a decree
3 a capitalized : the final judging of mankind by God b : a divine sentence or decision; specifically : a calamity held to be sent by God
4 a : the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing b : an opinion or estimate so formed
5 a : the capacity for judging : DISCERNMENT b : the exercise of this capacity
6 : a proposition stating something believed or asserted

I didn't read all that, past your first paragraph, but I am assuming you were pasting the definition of "judging." You point blank called him a dumbass and a complete fool. You called him that by his post. That was judging him by what he posted. Same thing if you were to call me a dumbass. You just judged me to be a dumbass(not saying or thinking you did call me one). You don't know I'm a dumbass. You just think I am by what I post. Later, QD.

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Originally Posted by FC-YA

5 : to form an estimate or evaluation of; especially : to form a negative opinion about <shouldn't judge him because of his accent>

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well i stand corrected by my own post. i reread it more carefully and i was wrong.

Lolol. Later, QD.

Take off the blinders and think for a minute, how can one religion be right and all the others are wrong?

Why not say everyone worships the same God, Alla, Buddah, ect and have their own spin on how things came to be based on the "stories" they've been taught over thousands of years.

All the fighting and wars brought on by religion would be for nothing.

You can't honestly think you are right and the rest of the religious world is wrong can you? THAT is close minded. ;)

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Originally Posted by Trey

Take off the blinders and think for a minute, how can one religion be right and all the others are wrong?

Why not say everyone worships the same God, Alla, Buddah, ect and have their own spin on how things came to be based on the "stories" they've been taught over thousands of years.

All the fighting and wars brought on by religion would be for nothing.

You can't honestly think you are right and the rest of the religious world is wrong can you? THAT is close minded. ;)

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I completely agree with this statement more than any other i have read over this entire post.....I grew up in a VERY Christian family and went to church 3 times a week until i was 13 years old. I quit when I couldnt get my questions answered by my own family. I believe that Christians are good people at heart and live a very respectable and moral life as a whole, but whose to say that following a book written by other men (and "revised" many times over history) is what makes you rightoeus and gets you into "heaven." There are so many similarities between all the religions of the world that no one that is not ignorant could proclaim any one else is destined to go to "hell" because of their religion.

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Originally Posted by FC-YA

hahahaha your a dumbass!! "we" as you say didnt kill Jesus. he was sacrificed not killed. i dont go to church but i believe in Jesus and God. thats all that really matters to be honest. but you, you are a complete fool. and no im not judging you saying you will go to hell or what not but that statement just shows your a dumbass.

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typical! tisk tisk!..GOD HATES YOU!

i'm new to IA and have been reading through these forums...i gotta comment on this one...

now i grew up as a christian and i still accept the Bible as a valuable spiritual guide. but the idea that the bible is the ONLY way to 'salvation', when you honestly look at it with a critical mind, is a pretty ridiculous notion. how can one honestly believe something as boundless and infinite as God would have to be can be described in ONLY one way?

look at how many languages and cultures the world has. i'm black...so looking at it from an african perspective, for example, there are some things that some african tribes experience in their cosmology/spirituality that can't even be described correctly with English words. stuff that we can't even understand or relate to about what they believe, simply because we grew up in a Western society built upon western philosophical ideas (this is another topic by itself). and vice versa. the idea of Jesus seems as ludicrous to them as voodoo and ancestor worship might seem to us. but talk to a christian about prayer to God or these ppl about prayer to an ancestor, and they'll believe in it same way, and have experiences to back up their belief. honestly speaking...it's mad close-minded and ignorant to feel like your view is right and they are wrong.

that's like being in your house and thinking you can describe all of outside by just looking out of one window. You might see trees, someone looking elsewhere might see mountains, someone else with a different view might see a lake. But each of these 'views' are just pieces of the entire picture...we'll never get to see or understand it entirely from our frame of reference (being inside the house).

the thing to do is use the tools that work best for you in your context...and not to be afraid to use new ones if the need arises...all while keeping true to yourself.

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Originally Posted by trini_gsr

i'm new to IA and have been reading through these forums...i gotta comment on this one...

now i grew up as a christian and i still accept the Bible as a valuable spiritual guide. but the idea that the bible is the ONLY way to 'salvation', when you honestly look at it with a critical mind, is a pretty ridiculous notion. how can one honestly believe something as boundless and infinite as God would have to be can be described in ONLY one way?

look at how many languages and cultures the world has. i'm black...so looking at it from an african perspective, for example, there are some things that some african tribes experience in their cosmology/spirituality that can't even be described correctly with English words. stuff that we can't even understand or relate to about what they believe, simply because we grew up in a Western society built upon western philosophical ideas (this is another topic by itself). and vice versa. the idea of Jesus seems as ludicrous to them as voodoo and ancestor worship might seem to us. but talk to a christian about prayer to God or these ppl about prayer to an ancestor, and they'll believe in it same way, and have experiences to back up their belief. honestly speaking...it's mad close-minded and ignorant to feel like your view is right and they are wrong.

that's like being in your house and thinking you can describe all of outside by just looking out of one window. You might see trees, someone looking elsewhere might see mountains, someone else with a different view might see a lake. But each of these 'views' are just pieces of the entire picture...we'll never get to see or understand it entirely from our frame of reference (being inside the house).

the thing to do is use the tools that work best for you in your context...and not to be afraid to use new ones if the need arises...all while keeping true to yourself.

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The fact that there are many other gods is no surprise. The reasoning that because a religion exists therefore it is valid is also flawed. The fact that jungle natives pray to frogs, their ancestors, a tree stump or some god named dagon, baal, or billybob is proof of only one thing...idolatry and false gods exist. This is evidence of the Bible being correct in that the devil has been working hard eveywhere to decieve humans. Those gods have no saving power. Although the names differ with cultures there are commonalities shared by most all those gods. Make no mistake, although many of those names are just varieties of the same false god, virtually none are of the Creator. The foundation of Christianity is that there is but one real living Creator who made the universe and its inhabitants. He does have many different names but dagon, baal, billybob and all the others are not Him. His creatures either acknowledge him or not. Worship of creation instead of the Creator is itself idolotry.

In fact if you study carefully there are really only two paths a human being can be on, regardless of their original religion or lack of it. They (we all) are either on the path to eternal life or the highway to eternal death.

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Originally Posted by metalman

The fact that there are many other gods is no surprise. The reasoning that because a religion exists therefore it is valid is also flawed. The fact that jungle natives pray to frogs, their ancestors, a tree stump or some god named dagon, baal, or billybob is proof of only one thing...idolatry and false gods exist. This is evidence of the Bible being correct in that the devil has been working hard eveywhere to decieve humans. Those gods have no saving power. Although the names differ with cultures there are commonalities shared by most all those gods. Make no mistake, although many of those names are just varieties of the same false god, virtually none are of the Creator. The foundation of Christianity is that there is but one real living Creator who made the universe and its inhabitants. He does have many different names but dagon, baal, billybob and all the others are not Him. His creatures either acknowledge him or not. Worship of creation instead of the Creator is itself idolotry.

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good answer, i actually agree with you partially on this. i never said and i certainly do not believe that every single religion on the planet is valid. the key is to look at them objectively and critically (the Bible actually instructs to do this) to see if they make sense. and when i say objectively, it means that you set aside your biases and notions and look at ALL the FACTS before judging.

the idea of one creator creating the universe, or even the general concept of salvation of the soul, is neither unique or even original to christianity. some of those very same 'jungle natives' believe the same thing, and have been believing it long before hebrews walked the earth or moses decided to write anything down. even the idea/word 'worship' as we understand it is a very loose and probably inaccurate way of describing their respect/reverence for their 'tree stumps' or 'frogs'. it's a LOT more complicated than that...this is the same ignorant attitude that drove the Crusades, the Dark Ages, and even the institution of slavery.

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Originally Posted by metalman

In fact if you study carefully there are really only two paths a human being can be on, regardless of their original religion or lack of it. They (we all) are either on the path to eternal life or the highway to eternal death.

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I agree 100% on this. but remember, the goal of trodding the path of righteousness is not the destination, but making the journey itself ;)

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Originally Posted by trini_gsr

the idea of one creator creating the universe, or even the general concept of salvation of the soul, is neither unique or even original to christianity. some of those very same 'jungle natives' believe the same thing, and have been believing it long before hebrews walked the earth or moses decided to write anything down. even the idea/word 'worship' as we understand it is a very loose and probably inaccurate way of describing their respect/reverence for their 'tree stumps' or 'frogs'. it's a LOT more complicated than that...this is the same ignorant attitude that drove the Crusades, the Dark Ages, and even the institution of slavery.

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It is true that peoples have existed and been "discovered" that indeed had some understanding of the Creator and worshipped Him. This is not common however and in fact is extremely rare. Some people for example, think that american indians worshiped the "great spirit"...in fact they like the people in the time of Noahs flood worshiped the creature much more then the Creator.

As for the Dark Ages & Crusades, the ignorance that fueled those times was in fact the papacy/catholcism. It was the church that kept people from even reading the Bible (punishable by death in fact) and kept people ignorant and in the dark. The church efforts to wipe out heritics and "unbelievers" led to much death....tens of millions. Some historians say as many as 300 million.

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Originally Posted by metalman

As for the Dark Ages & Crusades, the ignorance that fueled those times was in fact the papacy/catholcism. It was the church that kept people from even reading the Bible (punishable by death in fact) and kept people ignorant and in the dark. The church efforts to wipe out heritics and "unbelievers" led to much death....tens of millions. Some historians say as many as 300 million.

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Oh for goodness sake... this isn't the least bit true.

there are close minded people of every religion...

if you really wish to say that islam, judaism, and the other religions praising a sole creator are in fact the work of the devil, it makes you a closed minded person. If you truely were christian, the definition being someone living christ-like, you would accept those people, as he did the countless people he was around. the bible is man made, just like the koran, and every other holy book. it is a spiritual guide, a map if you will, that mankind in a specific region has written in order to lead ourselves into a live of righteousness and salvation. to use the correct metaphor of roads in atlanta,

the worlds religions would be like the perimeter, where 20, 95, 75, and numerous other roads intertwine to simply lead us to Atlanta. Who is to say the only true way to get to atlanta is to take 75? what if your in Augusta, and 20 is the only way there? you still end up in atlanta, and you still left your home with the goal to end up there.

that is what religions in the world are. they are creations of different geographic regions, different cultures, the true greatest work of mankind. they lead us to the place we wish to be, in their case, eternal happiness with our creator. and they serve another perpose than just showing us the way.religions pass on the true teachings of our god.they are the true teachers of diversity and acceptance. instead of hating or judging someone for their religion, and trying to convert them to your way, find the awe you should feel in the knowledge that even tho they are from a lifetime away, they still believe the same principle as you; there is something greater. That is the true miricle of God.

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Originally Posted by cherry kool aid

if you really wish to say that islam, judaism, and the other religions praising a sole creator are in fact the work of the devil, it makes you a closed minded person. If you truely were christian, the definition being someone living christ-like, you would accept those people, as he did the countless people he was around.
that is what religions in the world are. they are creations of different geographic regions, different cultures, the true greatest work of mankind. they lead us to the place we wish to be, in their case, eternal happiness with our creator. and they serve another perpose than just showing us the way.religions pass on the true teachings of our god.they are the true teachers of diversity and acceptance. instead of hating or judging someone for their religion, and trying to convert them to your way, find the awe you should feel in the knowledge that even tho they are from a lifetime away, they still believe the same principle as you; there is something greater. That is the true miricle of God.

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+1239845987459874 for you!

BTW this is directed towards the "Narrow or Close Minded"...

Surprisingly enough if you say that Jewish people are going to hell then what does that make the christian...the Jewish people are what you come from! And to say that Islamics are going to hell well they believe in Jesus...they also follow the Old testament along with the Qur'an...Hindus practice peace and harmony...as so do Buddists...they believe in ONE CREATOR...IF YOU ARE NARROW MINDED...take a World Religions class...get over yourself and open up...trust me the devil won't get you!

Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi...he taught that every man and woman are children of God and that there should be peace...If he were to come back today he would probably be upset at all of the people who believe in him, that are very close minded and prejudice...

The people who don't want to admit another religion may be right, don't do so to keep themselves from looking like they are wrong...NO religion is the RIGHT AND JUST religion, EVERY RELIGION IS RIGHT...If you take every religion into account they have similarities...Communities, Belief System, Rituals, Ethics, and things they hold sacred...religions who don't believe in Jesus Christ don't do so because there were a lot of religions already established at that point...by saying they must change what they believe to satisfy is unheard of and is CLOSE MINDED...

And who is to say who will go to heaven or hell...its no one who resides on earth...only G-D has the right to judge ANYONE not joe schmo down the road...And G-D is a forgiving being...if you repent and ask for forgiveness does it not say he will forgive...and by saying G-D will not love you if you are not christian is INDEED breaking the 3rd commandment...Deuteronomy 5:11 "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold [him] guiltless that taketh his name in vain."...That doesn't only mean saying GOD Da... or any other obscenity it also means saying that you know what HIS plan is for that person or persons...So if you are such a GOOD CHRISTIAN why don't you follow the 10 commandments as do other religions before you and Not put yourself so high up on a pedestal...Only G-D can be put on a pedestal and he HIMSELF is the only one that can judge...

Oh by the way this is all coming from a person whos been through Christianity, Catholicism, and Judaism...I now am agnostic...But I believe there is a higher being...I don't care what you have to say, so please save your thoughts and prejudice teachings to yourself...And I will not need your prayers because You do not know my relationship with G-D

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Originally Posted by CiViCCuTie

+1239845987459874 for you!

BTW this is directed towards the "Narrow or Close Minded"...

Surprisingly enough if you say that Jewish people are going to hell then what does that make the christian...the Jewish people are what you come from! And to say that Islamics are going to hell well they believe in Jesus...they also follow the Old testament along with the Qur'an...Hindus practice peace and harmony...as so do Buddists...they believe in ONE CREATOR...IF YOU ARE NARROW MINDED...take a World Religions class...get over yourself and open up...trust me the devil won't get you!

Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi...he taught that every man and woman are children of God and that there should be peace...If he were to come back today he would probably be upset at all of the people who believe in him, that are very close minded and prejudice...

The people who don't want to admit another religion may be right, don't do so to keep themselves from looking like they are wrong...NO religion is the RIGHT AND JUST religion, EVERY RELIGION IS RIGHT...If you take every religion into account they have similarities...Communities, Belief System, Rituals, Ethics, and things they hold sacred...religions who don't believe in Jesus Christ don't do so because there were a lot of religions already established at that point...by saying they must change what they believe to satisfy is unheard of and is CLOSE MINDED...

And who is to say who will go to heaven or hell...its no one who resides on earth...only G-D has the right to judge ANYONE not joe schmo down the road...And G-D is a forgiving being...if you repent and ask for forgiveness does it not say he will forgive...and by saying G-D will not love you if you are not christian is INDEED breaking the 3rd commandment...Deuteronomy 5:11 "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold [him] guiltless that taketh his name in vain."...That doesn't only mean saying GOD Da... or any other obscenity it also means saying that you know what HIS plan is for that person or persons...So if you are such a GOOD CHRISTIAN why don't you follow the 10 commandments as do other religions before you and Not put yourself so high up on a pedestal...Only G-D can be put on a pedestal and he HIMSELF is the only one that can judge...

Oh by the way this is all coming from a person whos been through Christianity, Catholicism, and Judaism...I now am agnostic...But I believe there is a higher being...I don't care what you have to say, so please save your thoughts and prejudice teachings to yourself...And I will not need your prayers because You do not know my relationship with G-D

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I think you suck. But very good points there. :goodjob:

I have a few comments to make to some of the above statements:
actually it does say in the bible that if we ask Jesus/GGod for forgiveness. that's the whole purpose of Jesus' death. otherwise it would have said Jesus died died for man's sins "maybe".
syaing GD is not taking the Gods name in vain. God's name is Jehova(spelling) so saying JD would count> at least thatr's my intrepretation.
you don't have to be a christian to be close-minded, just go to college and take a class and you'll find that out quick. :blah:
have a nice day :2up:

zach, im afraid youve driven yourself into the ground on this one. i personally dont believe in your heaven or hell; how could i possible go there? i suppose im borderline both athiest and agnostic. i believe that if there is a god (which i do not believe there is), and he is a loving, accepting being?? that he would make him(or her)self evident to me. ive seen no such evidence. instead, when looking at religion in general i see violence, unrest, and generally hypocritical behavior.. nothing that would suggest a being?? such as you profess. i was raised around christians my entire life and have been looked down upon because of my beliefs. thats close minded. im not afraid of eternity because i dont believe there is an eternity. my life will be over when i die.

wow

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Originally Posted by green91

zach, im afraid youve driven yourself into the ground on this one. i personally dont believe in your heaven or hell; how could i possible go there? i suppose im borderline both athiest and agnostic. i believe that if there is a god (which i do not believe there is), and he is a loving, accepting being?? that he would make him(or her)self evident to me. ive seen no such evidence. instead, when looking at religion in general i see violence, unrest, and generally hypocritical behavior.. nothing that would suggest a being?? such as you profess. i was raised around christians my entire life and have been looked down upon because of my beliefs. thats close minded. im not afraid of eternity because i dont believe there is an eternity. my life will be over when i die.

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I wouldn't say an athiest is borderline.

he said he was a border line atheist/agnostic. as in inbetween.

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he said he was a border line atheist/agnostic. as in inbetween.

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how are inbetween those 2? that's like being inbetween being able to swin and not.

so swimming and not swimming are the same thing as u dont believe theres a god or that ur open to there being a god but u need proof? not really, its more like being able to tread water and saying u cant swim, or being able to tread water, thinking u can swim but need proof before u jump off the diving board.

i dont believe in a god. but if it were proven to me i wouldnt be able to deny it. i suppose that makes me more agnostic than athiest.

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I'm sick of people on here labelling Christians as "Close-minded"

Why are we considered close-minded? Why are you not close-minded? What makes you more open than Christians?

It just pisses me off because the people that call us close-minded spend all of their time on here putting Christians down, and never actually look at their own lives and try to make some sense of it and think about what might actually happen once they die. Have any of you ever thought about a little something called "eternity"?

I ask all of you to look up some people such as Pastor Johnny Hunt of First Baptist Church of Woodstock, or Tony Nolan of FBCW and TNT Ministries, or Dr. Ergun Caner of Liberty University, or Josh McDowell, and David Nasser.

Look up one or two of them and see what they have to say and then come back and let me know what you think.

Until then, please quit with this close-minded crap, i'm sorry the path to Heaven is narrow and the path to destruction is wide...doesn't mean you have to call me close-minded because you think it is unfair that there is only one way to get into Heaven. God is just, and he wouldn't be a just God if he let just anyone in through any religion now would He?

If you believe that any religion gets you into heaven, then just think about your little idea this way: If any religion leads to Heaven, then every road in America should lead to the same point. Next time you get stuck in traffic on 75 North, or 285...just get off at the next exit and go the opposite way because if your "theory" is correct then you should get home going 75 south just as fast as you would 75 north.

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Other religions are seen as less closed minded than christians because they do not spend so much time recruiting/converting people.

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Other religions are seen as less closed minded than christians because they do not spend so much time recruiting/converting people.

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wtf?!