Is this all you ever talk about? Cause you seem like the most closed mind person I've ever seen on the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
Is this all you ever talk about? Cause you seem like the most closed mind person I've ever seen on the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
closed minded? i just call em as i see em bro.
I don't think so. You have a set agenda and don't allow any opposing view or opinion to have any merit.Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
I.e closed minded.
I don't actually see any writings of Jesus anywhere. Just other people hundreds of years later, and even then they are just stories. Beethoven, Socrates, Plato, Galileo, Bach, all have writings of their own. The bible is a fairy tale to teach people how to live, and today many of its teachings in the current world will not be tolerated anyways.
To a christian all of this does not really matter because any notion of proof negates the need for "faith". Personally I am well past the debates on whether or not Christ lived at all or the historical accuracy of the bible itself. Abrahamic religion is doing nothing more than trying to pull the human race back to the stone age. And by it's very nature is destructive to humanity and the human spirit. I don't give a shit if god and Jesus are real or not, their ideas are destroying this planet I have to live on.
If I had an illustration of a set of scales and listed all of the good things religion has created then went through and listed the bad, which way do you think those scales would tip? The bad end would be bottomed out on the ground....To me religion is a growing cancer that is completely out of control. I remember when I first saw those 2 planes fly into the towers in '01. After I regained my composure after the initial shock and actually began to digest what I saw, my first thought was. " This is the destructive nature of religion "
Everywhere I went, seeing all the sad faces, all the prayers that were offered in gods name and all I could think of is "this IS your god, YOUR god caused this, this is a holy war sanctified by your god and the people that share your beliefs are the ones responsible".
Now of course Christians will say "it was Muslims that did this (and are still at it, and going strong) and I am not a Muslim and I certainly do not share their ideals" But to me the only difference between christians and muslims is just semantics. Here are some passages from the Bible regarding Holy War.
1. The Lord is a man of war. Exodus 15:3
2. The LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation. Exodus 17:16, Deuteronomy 25:19
3. And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people ... So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land. Numbers 21:34-35
4. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And they burnt all their cities....
And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18
5. And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Deuteronomy 2:33-34
6. And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them. Deuteronomy 7:2, 7:16
7. If thou shalt hear say ... Certain men ... saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known ... Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. Deuteronomy 13:12-15
8. When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women ... shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. ... But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them ... as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Deuteronomy 20:10-17
9. And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:21
10. So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Joshua 10:40
11. For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses. Joshua 11:20
12. Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15:2-3
13. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Psalm 2:8-9
14. He teacheth my hands to war. Psalm 18:34
15. That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same. Psalm 68:23
16. Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: Psalm 144:1
17. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
18. He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
and from the Qu'ran
1. Slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out ... if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 2:191
2. Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you. 2:216
3. Fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward. 4:74
4. Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76
5. They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them. 4:89
6. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant. 4:91
7. The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom. 5:33
8. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. 8:12
9. When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless manoeuvring for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end. Ye (Muslims) slew them not, but Allah slew them. And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw. 8:15-17
10. And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. 8:59-60
11. Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence. 8:65
12. It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. 8:67
13. Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. 9:5
14. If they ... assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief ... Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first? What! Fear ye them? Now Allah hath more right that ye should fear Him, if ye are believers Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them. 9:12-14
15. O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. 9:73
16. Believers ... shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. 9:111
17. O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you. 9:123
18. Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks. 47:4
Christianity has been so repressive for so long, practically since it's adoption by the Romans that just into this last century the religious institutions had to start remaking their image just to stay in business. In 1979, the Pope soon after taking office a Vatican committee decided the Inquisition had acted in good faith, but was wrong. And 359 years later in 1992, the Church finally agreed at a ceremony in Rome, before the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Pope John Paul II officially declared that Galileo was right........finally.
Modern western christians have this remarkable ability to practice "selective worship". They are only choosing to acknowledge the positive things in the bible but are ignoring all of the evil orders and demands from god as "interpretation". Muslims are taking ALL of the Qur’an as the literal word of god.
The only good thing about a Christian is that they are NOT a Muslim, but that is just about only where I draw a distinction. Out of all 3 of the Abrahamic religions I think I like Jews the most because it seems to me (overall) they just want to be left the fuck alone. You do not really see them on internet forums trying to spread the gospel, or holding up signs to repent, or going door to door evangelizing or waging very long bloody wars in the name of god. Basically just not being really, really fucking annoying. But sadly the land they occupy was not given to them by "god" as much as there is no leprechaun at the end of a rainbow sitting on a pot of gold.
what a strange, strange world....
Actually Plato was a student under Socrates so they wrote detailed first person accounts of eachother within the same timeframe. There are also surviving texts from the lifetime of both men written about them by eyewitnesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
Composers, painters, and other artists exist in their material works, also in their own letters and in the letters of their colleagues and friends as well as in civic records. There are surviving letters from Van Gogh, Beethoven, Picaso etc written in their own hand, and letters about them written by others. There is no direct archaelogical evidence of Jesus Christ during his time on Earth... everything found thusfar has been proven by experts to be modern forgeries.
I'm not agreeing with any of you....for to do so would violate
5. Herd Conformity
Satanism exalts the power of the individual. Western culture encourages people to go with the flow, and to believe and do things simply because the wider community is doing such. Satanists attempt to avoid such behavior, following the herd only if it makes logical sense and suits one’s own needs.
:D
present a ligit arguement and i will discuss. dont come at me with " its ridiculous, not enough proof, sounds bogus to me, ect" and expect to change my mind. as far as proof of Jesus any evidence i provide will NEVER be good enough cuz simply put a Godly lifestyle of sacrifice doesnt appeal to you. my greatest proof is this, look all around you. Jesus created everything you see. the trees, rocks, mountians, sky, ect...HE made it and its His physical proof. He left His signature on it and even gave you a written set of instructions and writing of His work.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glides
I'm fine with that...
Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
What a cop out, Jesus was a man, and many religions existed before him. Jesus is way after tree,rock,mountain,sky. Those were well established before he set foot on this planet.
if only you knew. Jesus created all these things. He established them. He made the rock,tree,mountain,sky,ect...
ej25run- you really hurt me by giving me a bad rep and saying its great to be jewish....NOT. nice try buddy. and what i dont understand is you say your jewish but do you know anything about your own faith, scripture, history, prophecy, anything? if you did then you would realize that we serve the SAME GOD
Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
You see the thing between you and me is that we both know the world didn't begin with Jesus. History existed long before. I mean the entire old testament was before his time.
Another thing is that we both don't know how the world began. I don't know and I don't care. But you seem to think you do, but can't seem to give any answers to back it up, just something written by someone else.
Pitiful really.:no:
we both know the world didnt begin with Jesus? i thought i was saying the contrary. maybe i was mistaken. the old testament was talking about Jesus. you dont know how the world began, i do. and im backing it up with just something else someone said? do you have a phd and have done studies and experiments and written papers to have some of your own words to prove your point? i didnt think so
No, but if I did have a Phd. I would still be full of shit. NONE know the beginning.
But apparently since you have written a few papers, and have this internet Phd, you know so please don't tell us.
all this Jesus talk is really bumming me out, what does any of this have with praising the deep dark one?
If you want to get an introduction to the Satanic archetype, look at Goethe and Lord Byron's Prometheus:
"Here I sit, I form humans
After my own image;
A race, to be like me,
To sorrow, to weep,
To enjoy and delight itself,
And to heed you not at all –
Like Me!"
"Thy Godlike crime was to be kind,
To render with thy precepts less
The sum of human wretchedness,
And strengthen Man with his own mind "
here are some Satanic Alters I found, Praise the goat!
Studied my faith in a private school. (Remember that thing exists if you want that for your kids) Oh wait, you're stuck on another planet so no.Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
Disagree.
You are a cult member.
We don't pray to the same god.
IA has established long before if you write about reps, then yes, you do care.
Mr. Cult.
my friend your Jehovah is my same Jesus
Hmm. I had to say this.Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
Jesus was the only begotten son of God, sent down to Earth (Which was already created when he got here) to suffer our sins. The Lord created the world...remember?
Are you sure you read the Bible?
Honestly, YOU have NO IDEA how the world began...because....are you ready....you are 21 freaking years old!.Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
What you DO know is this: You follow a faith. Like MANY others of MANY other religions, you follow it blindly and believe that your faith is better than all the others and that your faith is the true faith and that ll the others are false.
You know who else do this? Religious Extremists. Yes, those same wonderful cuddly people that strap themselves into vests made of explosives and kill innocent people IN CHURCHES all across the world.
So seriously, just shut up. You are NO DIFFERENT than ANY other religious wingnut who follows what they were told to follow.
*edit*
Let me add a bit here. There is nothign WRONG with your religion, other than the fact that people who belived like you, blindly, are responsible for more deaths than ANY other warfare combined in the world throughtout history. You might not be violent and enforce your ways, but those that commited the atrocities througout history probably were not either.....until they got power and then their ideals could be enforced.
There is nothing wrong with anything that one believes in. If it helps them to sleep through the night better, I support it.
If that's what makes you happy, go for it.
The problem I have with religion is it's tendency to impose it's morals onto the rest of us, which when viewed with open eyes the hypocrisy is outright astounding. That is one good thing I like about the self proclaimed "religion of peace"...Islam, other than the synchronized bowing and praying which I think is pretty cool, is now we all get to see 1st hand the destructive power of a theocratic society, and of religion itself.
If we let this god dictate our morality and set the standard for our laws it will always lead to tyranny and repression of free-thought.
ALWAYS
And I am tired of letting this ignorance rule in my community and run rampant across the globe. look at this new article here. If you do not have a serious problem with this then there really is something wrong with you.
Then again I think I have made my stand on this issue perfectly clear and there really isn't anything to debate
Ill post the new "Anti-homosexuality law 2009" Ugandan law for the lazy ones but you need acrobat reader installed
You can now refer to me as a Satanic Evangelist or a Militant aggressive Atheist, although I am still not sure if words can properly describe my views. Like Islam being a religion of peace, or creationism being a form of science. When words are used in this manner, they simply lose all of their meaning.
Praise the funky goat
HAIL SATAN
^^^that's awesome, Go Christians(I mean shallow minded fools with agendas)
Well, if you look at things at face value.
Warriors for God - Humans be scared, cause they will kill you for not believing what they believe.
Warriors for Satan - The Goat population needs to be worried.
Sure, in the eternal struggle the Devil is supposed to be the bad guy, but honestly, all I see killing massive amounts of people is the disagreements between whose religion is right.
Lame.
Satan isnt that bad of a guy.
all religion belongs to him. christianity, catholicism, judaism, etc. The world's empire of religion is FALSE. None of it holds true. either way u give satan his backing whether you believe it, know it, or not.
there is only one religion that points that main fact out. but at the same time, I dont fully trust them either. I am happy with death. I dont care if people are going to live forever in paradise. Death is imminent either way I go and the vast majority of those thinking they will reap that reward are just as dead as me. Somebody just end this world already. God, satan who the fuck ever.
Not necessarily... among the far Eastern religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, etc), most practitioners realize that their practices are really just a guide to self realization that they it is possible to achieve on one's own. I remember reading something to that effect in the Bhagavad Gita, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSINXS
i can agree with that somewhat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Total_Blender
but isnt satanism about enlightenment too?
i haven't read this thread yet, but i have read all of laveys work - alot of his work is inspired by crowley who spoke of himself as the beast. for the most part if you get through the ritualistic portions of the satanic bible it makes a lot of sense. "do what thou wilt" is basically what the basis of the religion focuses on. in essence you should embrace your animal instincts and do as you please which is very interesting concept in western society; considering we basically live by this motto yet many worship christ.
I will give credit to this from a facebook friend of mines bio
Satanica Natas
Satanism is a Religion as well as a Life Style. It has many forms and many faces, yet they all deserve to be called Satanism. Most of the religions of the world have a couple different denominations within the same belief system, the same holds true in Satanism. To my knowledge there are Traditional or Spiritual Satanists, LaVeyan Satanists, Rebel Satanists and Modern Satanists. This does not mean a Satanist is limited to one type or style, perhaps some Satanists may be a little bit of all of these definitions. These are to give you a general idea of the denominations. I will touch on each of them and give a general description to help the readers better understand each one. I will provide much more details and information on Modern Satanism simply because that is how I live my life and what I chose to consider myself.
Traditional or Spiritual Satanism - Also called Theistic Satanism or Luciferianism, is the oldest known form of Satanism. It has been around for Thousands of years and has even been traced back to the Roman times before the christian lord and savior "Jesus Christ" ever walked the Earth. The Traditional Satanists do actually claim the existence of a Satan or Lucifer as a "Higher Power or a Guiding Force." The Traditional Satanists don't literally worship Satan or Lucifer as their God. Those misconceptions have been created by the church and other nae sayers who want their respective religions to flourish on the fear of society. The Traditional Satanist looks at Satan or Lucifer as a "Father Figure" and idolize him in that capacity. It is in my understanding that some Traditional Satanists have performed a Sacrificial Ritual, but it is not required in their beliefs. Some Traditional Satanists touch on Demonology and go a lot deeper into that aspect of the spiritual realms.
LaVeyan Satanism - LaVeyan Satanism is a label given to Satanists found mostly within but is not limited to the Church of Satan™ members. Anton Szandor LaVey founded the Church of Satan™ in October of 1966. A.S. LaVey was a very outgoing Satanist who helped propel Satanism and bring it into the publics eye. A.S. LaVey has 5 books written by him, and several others written about him since. The most popular of these 5 is "The Satanic Bible." The contents of the book might not have originated on LaVeys desk, but he compiled the information in such a way as to literally spark a (r)evolution in your mind. This book alone has brought A.S. LaVey and the Church of Satan™ millions of dollars as well as thousands of members. It is a good read and should be the platform for which to build your lifestyle, beliefs, and thoughts. A.S. LaVey is only a man, a philosopher, and the founder of the Church of Satan™, but there are many out there who have chosen to Idolize HIM while at the same time they are a Satanist. This is where the LaVeyan Satanist term is coined.
Rebel Satanism - Rebel Satanism is a form of Satanism where you find the most misfits and social outcasts. This is the form of Satanism that actually brings Satanists in general a bad name. They are the rebellious teenagers and the drug addicts who might not have ever even read The Satanic Bible and just use the "evil image" of Satanism as a release. I am not trying to imply that "Goth's" are social outcasts and degenerates in their rebellious ways, but this type of Rebel Satanism is such and commonly associated with Gothic Lifestyles. I have actually found some of the most thoughtful, kind, and intelligent people in the world are the freaks who wear spikes, black clothes and ragged hair. Being a Rebel Satanist is usually a phase and they move on to something else shortly after it gets "old" or they actually pick up a book or two with a "cooler" belief system.
Modern Satanism - Modern Satanism is what the majority of Satanists are in this Century. There are several Orders, Temples, Guilds, Grottos, and Churches who have popped up since the Church of Satan™ began to change their ways and members broke off. The two biggest ones: The Temple of Set™, and the First Church of Satan™ were both founded by previous members of the Church of Satan™. Modern Satanism is very similar to LaVeyan Satanism only you wont see as many "LaVeyan" supporters. This does not mean LaVey is frowned upon, or walked on, but he is only one individual in the world, and we Modern Satanists tend to always want more.
Modern Satanism is a belief system that empowers the individual to be their own God, to be their own caretaker. This does not mean you cannot have a partner in life, a significant other, or a loved one. It means you take care of yourself as opposed to prayer and false hopes asked of a God or complete stranger to do it for you. You are supposed to accept your own responsibilities and be able to accept the outcome of your actions. As a Modern Satanist, you should not depend on a myth to pay for your actions. The stories that some Jesus Christ came to Earth and has paid for your sins does NOT mean you are above the laws today, and you will be held liable for any crimes committed.
As a Modern Satanist, You thank YOURSELF for all the hard work and repetition of a task to perfect it, not some man made God. You are the one who soaked many a rag with your sweat and hard labor to become what you are. You need not thank any higher power for these skills. You would want to thank family, friends, and coworkers for their support, and comforting they have provided along the way.
It is common to find a Modern Satanist who chooses not to be apart of ANY of the Orders or Organizations about and wants only individualism. Herd Mentality is something commonly found in the Christian or Catholic Church where you're made to feel as nothing without paying them your money, or having someone else in your life. Satanism per se teaches Self-ism and Individuality. Some Satanists refuse to "join" in on anything and it makes them more comfortable being "solo." Modern Satanism as a whole is NOT Anti-Christianity. Satanism is Anti-Stupidity. (some Satanists may be anti-christian, but surely not all of us.) There are Anti-Religious people in every aspect and every walk of life. Satanism per se, does not speak of opposing Christianity and destroying everything they believe in. I have always tried to spread Religious Tolerance, and the rest of the Satanic Community, for the most part, feels the exact same way.
Modern Satanism is not full of Hate and Racism. Satanism, by some, has been considered an Elitist Belief System. This is simply because as a Satanist you should always stride to better yourself. Never settling for second best, and Never think of anyone as being better than yourself. "Second Place is The First Loser". The Teachers whom we encounter in life have the knowledge to pass along, and the experience of doing it before you, this does not make then BETTER than you. There is segregation in every walk of life. It is NOT the Satanic Communities who house and support the Race oriented, Hate groups, or other Militant Factions, now is it? Yet there are militant and ignorant Satanists who feel they want to take the law into their own hands and end up harming people unnecessarily.
We as Americans have the 1st Amendment right to Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion. What most Americans do not understand is this: You have Freedom of Speech, the right to say anything you want to say, but this does not mean you are exempt of the ramifications of your words. The Freedom of Religion means you should be able to worship, and or believe as you see fit. Regardless of social acceptance and scrutiny, be it that it is within the boundaries of the law. At times I'm led to believe Christianity is above Freedom of Religion because if you don't believe what they do "you're wrong", "you're insane", "you need help", or my favorite one is, "you're going to hell!". I am sure not all of the sheep think this way, but enough of them do.
Freedom of Religion means ANY RELIGION!
Modern Satanism is Anti-Stupidity. Satanists are challenged to think for themselves. Satanists are challenged to use their mind. To question what does NOT seem right to them, and to NOT accept something as fact simply "because it has always been done this way!". It is pure Stupidity to follow the crowd and not know where it is going. Know where you are and what you want, this always makes it easier to get there in tact. Satanism, as with ANY religion, has Dogma. These are Basic Rules and Guidelines in which to live by, and to better yourself by. Satanism is a religion that is very flexible, and allows you to be yourself in dress, attitude and life.
Popular Opinions and Stereotypes - I am writing this little section to point out the wrong opinions, and typical stereotypes that have nothing what so ever to do with Satanism, Myself, or what I believe in. You can also visit my "FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS" page and get a few ideas. I know this list is shared by a lot of my friends, and surely some of them might erase an entry or two. I have grown short on patience for some of the stereotypes the Christian church has given Satanism and Satanists in general, here they go in no particular rank or order, just how they come to me as I write;
As a Satanist, I do NOT... Kill Animals for torture or ritual.
As a Satanist, I do NOT... Kill Humans for torture or ritual.
As a Satanist, I do NOT... worship a christian myth named SATAN.
As a Satanist, I do NOT... hate christianity, I simply ignore it and live my own life.
As a Satanist, I do NOT... do drugs, I do drink socially and nothing more.
As a Satanist, I do NOT... rape women, I have a healthy and consensual sex life..
As a Satanist, I do NOT... hate life in general, I am very happy and love life.
As a Satanist, I do NOT... hold anyone or anything higher than myself.
As a Satanist, I DO ... Love Animals, I have a few of my own.
As a Satanist, I DO ... support the death penalty, and oppose crime.
As a Satanist, I DO ... hate ignorance, it's simply unacceptable.
As a Satanist, I DO ... work, own my own car, pay bills and taxes.
As a Satanist, I DO ... love my friends and family, no one else.
As a Satanist, I DO ... respect my elders, they've taught me much.
As a Satanist, I DO ... believe in Religious Tolerance, it's your right.
I will add more Do's and Do Not's as they come to me, but you get the general idea. I get along well with others, and have plenty friends, most of them simply don't need to know my beliefs.
Below are some words or names and their meaning from "MY" point of view.
Religious Tolerance - Both of my parents are Christian. From the day I was born my mother has never made me go to church, or believe in what she believes. I have never been baptized, and never will. She has answered every question I have ever had, even if it wasn't what I wanted to hear. She told me she still loves me no matter what I believe in, because I am her flesh and blood... I am her son. She has always had religious symbols or literature visible and accessible but has never once forced me to learn anything about them. I fail to see why so many other people, maybe not you or anyone you know, dismiss or disown people simply because they don't believe in what they believe in, or see things the same way they see things. I have written society off. I honestly feel there is no hope and no chance there will ever be TRUE "Religious Tolerance". I am even guilty or making snide remarks about Christians and then find myself holding my tongue because my friend sitting next to me playing poker is Christian.
Satan - To the Modern Satanist, Satan represents everything life should be. In The Satanic Bible, LaVey states SATAN represents Indulgence, Vital Existence, Undefiled Wisdom, Kindness to those who deserve it, Vengeance, Responsibility, Man as just another Animal, and All of the so-called Sins. Freewill, Freethinking, and a Free lifestyle is actually ANTI-Church. The church does NOT want you to stray from their teachings and their money plate. If you start to think for yourself, and live life for yourself, you have become tainted in their belief system and you're a devil worshipper. SATAN is just the word for some boogieman they needed to keep their sheep from going astray. The being/deity/entity "Satan" was made up by the Christians to take the fall for their sins, pleasure, wrong doings, etc... They needed someone to be their scapegoat. When Christianity came into play, the EXISTING GODS of the Egyptians, Indian, Greeks, etc.. were all turned into Devil's. The Literal being/deity/entity simply DOES NOT exist. I am sure you can ask a Christian and they would say he exists, something has to be the reasoning behind their fears and doubts and momentary loss of reason.
The Devil - Another name for Satan, and something we're always accused of worshiping. I might be a horny little devil, but surely I do NOT worship The devil. hehe. ok
Lucifer - The name of a said "angel" who was cast out of Heaven by god himself for questioning his actions. Surely someone with a mind of their own would question something if it did not seem right to them. Surely someone with wisdom would know the outcome of certain things before they are done. Is it wrong to question your superiors? Is it wrong to think freely, or to think differently? This is also another name for Satan. He has many, many names the Christians have chosen for him. blah
God - I am my own GOD! I am using this topic however to address the Christian god, so, lately I have heard so much about him it makes me sick. I am more scientific in nature than spiritual, and if I can not smell, touch, see, hear, or taste it... it does not exist. Every day there are "miracles" of life happening this guy gets credit for. Ever heard of chance? Circumstance? Fate? I am sorry but breathing is not a miracle, it is a natural function of the human body. I hear this guy loves everyone. And will forgive you for all of your sins. I bet we Satanists really piss him off every now and then. I'd like to know I am the thorn in someone's side from time to time. This is another being, deity, force, spirit which simply DOES NOT exist. I do not have blind faith, and frown at the masses who simply do.
Jesus - The son of god. "Pallid Incompetence Hanging On A Tree", [Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible] The way the Christians speak of this guy you would think he was Satan himself! The end of the world is coming, and he is going to be their savior. To bring them to the promised lands. To kill each and every Christian on earth and take them with him to their heaven. They are the ones who need help, who need to be saved, not I. To the Modern Satanist, Heaven and Hell is a state of mind, not a place of being.
Christianity - ( Or should I say EXTREME Christianity. I know I can NOT lump all Christians into my definitions. I have gotten some awesome e-Mails about this website, and most from "normal" Christians. ) A true DEATH CULT if there ever was one. I have never read, witnessed, nor heard of another CULT so obsessed with death. I hear all the time how their messiah is coming to bring them into heaven. Friends, there is only one way to get into their heaven, through death. I have to admit, I am amused by some of the ways the Christians live...for example: They lust about all week, and fulfill their carnal desires only to show up on Sunday and beg forgiveness. If you are going to do something you enjoy, that makes you feel good, and you want to continue to do...why do you need to beg forgiveness???
Catholicism - A Confusing Religion. Same twists and turns as Christianity, with a few more rules to break. And their prayer services really floor me... Sit, Stand, Kneel... ahhhh. Done in Latin at times...that part is cool. If you have god in your heart, and can talk to god through prayer, Why would you need to go confess to a priest? What's the middle man for? I think the church has lost it's way and become a large monopoly. If you have faith, you don't need a church. The movie STIGMATA hit the nail on the head, You don't need a building to have faith. The church is no longer needed, and are only there to take your money. This should be in the next topic... so, I digress.
The Church - A building, isn't it? surely you jest. The church is even worse than the United States Government, when it comes to lying, cheating, stealing, and murder. The church was built on the premise that the flock need a place to go to worship. They collect your money and use it for their own needs, what ever they may be. If you believe in something, whether it is god, or nature, or Satan, would you need a building to worship them in? For having a god that's "omnipotent" why would you need to erect thousands of buildings to pray to him? It's a simple money laundering scam. The church and its tax-free status, and gambling even, within it's own walls. The best scam going on to date!
The Pope - The highest ranking Priest in the Catholic Church. The man who has the power to change the world, and even repress it for the best interest of the church. According to the Church, the Pope speaks to god! ::laughs:: Have you seen his clothes lately? This should tell you where all of your fucking money is going people. Check out the staff the guy holds, got enough Diamonds, Emeralds, Rubies, Sapphires, etc...The life this guys leads, and as many little boys as he wants.
I get asked all the time what the differences are between Atheism, Paganism and Satanism.
Here is a brief paragraph on both of the Questions.
Atheism vs. Modern Satanism - There are also those in life who consider themselves an Atheist. They claim no god, no Satan, no deity what so ever. Ahhhh, so you say, why is Satanism called Satanism and not "Atheism" if they both denounce Satan/god?!?! Both of them are Atheistic in Nature... But, here is where we are not the same... Satanists claim themselves to be their own god, Atheists do not. Most Satanists do not have a problem bearing the name Satanist, Atheists refuse to have any label what so ever. Which is fine, there's no need to "label" yourself unnecessarily. Satanists live a certain lifestyle which is of course a life that pleases them. Atheists also live whatever and however they see fit. With the 2 being so closely related, you'll see why and how we get along easily. The only real problem is, more often than not, the Satanist is egotistical and Self-Centered where the Atheist just don't give a shit. ( yes, this paragraph has been updated recently... I've grown quite fond of my significant other whom is Atheist, and some quality e-Mails have changed my point of view.)
Paganism vs. Modern Satanism - It is a common Christian misconception that Satanism and Paganism are the same. I know this because I see Pagan's being called devil worshippers just the same. It is a label that sheep use for what they don't understand, and refuse to open their eyes and see. Paganism is more Deistic in nature, as opposed to Atheistic, in that they claim a "higher power". Whether it is the god, or Goddess, or what ever they want, they believe in a higher power, and the Satanist does NOT. Satanists claim to be their own god, and holding nothing and no ONE above them spiritually. Pagan's try to be kind and hot harm people, where as a Satanist is polite by nature but if wronged can be the most deadly creature on the planet.
from all i just read this is the conclusion i as a christian came up with. the basic ideas of being a decent person in this world are the same. the only difference is that satanists dont like the idea of a higher authority and therefore rebel against God. i will say this tho, this writing really hit the nail on the head about hypocritical christians and those who put up a false face for the world to see and condemn everybody to hell. i personally will never tell anyone they are going to hell. im not God, who am i to judge anyone else when i myself struggle with things daily.
I just have a problem with the "the Satanist is egotistical and Self-Centered where the Atheist just don't give a shit." part.
Atheist's do care...Atheist's care a lot about the truth and reality, but possibly even more so about freedom. Freedom which religion time and time again has proven itself to systematically infringe upon every chance it gets. Which all of those things combined help form our viewpoint. So to say we don't care is a gross understatement.
I gave y ou some positive reps man for this post. I salute you. :goodjob:Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
i love you guys, thank you so much for bringing light to this, ive been trying to tell people that for years but coming from a smaller more narrowminded conservative town people will look at you as a witch or what not. ive been a passionate member of this for about 4 years now and if there is anyone that needs some first hand questions awnsered, please let me know. and i have the satanic bible if anyone would be interested in reading it but for some reason cant get your own copy.
But telling them they are following the wrong path is just as bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
im not trying to scream in anyones face that they are on the wrong path or going to hell. i try to do what my bible tells me to do and spread the gospel and tell people about my God. i have very strong belief and faith in my God. i will be first to say that the religion idea is crap. its whats wrong. nowhere in my bible does it say to be methodist, catholic, lutheran, ect....it says simply to have a deep loving relationship with God and to love your neighbor as you love yourself. if you believed how i believed and knew the love of God as i did you would want to spread it too
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glides
and after all my long-winded posts I still get none...:(
:blah::blah::blah::blah::blah:
Quote:
Originally Posted by revsk8erdude
the Satanic Bible is available on the internet as a .pdf here in case you lose your copy. ;)
is that the whole motherfucking book?! damn! :goodjob:Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetHazard