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    I am no longer a Christian due to some experiences in my life. I still feel the need for spiritual fulfillment but my logical side refuses to let me believe. If I went to church now I would betray myself.

    I also have to express my displeasure over the lukewarm stances. If you are a believer, revel in it. Learn everything there is to know, grow and interpret. If you can't do that then you need to ask yourself the hard questions. Am I doing this because I am a coward? Do I need to believe in God simply because non-existance scares me? Am I just doing what is expected? I'll insert Revelation 3:15-16 here.

    I'm getting married next year and my best man is a preacher's son. He is incredibly knowledgeable and intellectual. I pick his brain constantly and we always have philosophical discussions on the nature of faith and existence.

    On the flip side another one of my groomsmen went to Florida Christian College and dropped out because he was unable to complete a research paper. Proving the Bible. He found that, for him, it wasn't possible and logic used in resources seemed flawed. He went to art school instead.

    My wife to be is Pagan. A religion far older than Christianity, yet Christian practices stole greatly from and persecuted this religion. Why should I relate my self to that? She lived in Guam for several years and ,aside from the fact that almost the entire population is devout catholic and learns the will of god, children would spit on her, call her names, and even threw rocks at her simply because she had different skin.

    Do I want to believe in god? sure. Will I believe in god? no. Will I go to church? no.

    It would honestly take something irrefutable "a miracle" at this point in my life for me to return to Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dorin48 View Post
    I am no longer a Christian due to some experiences in my life. I still feel the need for spiritual fulfillment but my logical side refuses to let me believe. If I went to church now I would betray myself.

    I also have to express my displeasure over the lukewarm stances. If you are a believer, revel in it. Learn everything there is to know, grow and interpret. If you can't do that then you need to ask yourself the hard questions. Am I doing this because I am a coward? Do I need to believe in God simply because non-existance scares me? Am I just doing what is expected? I'll insert Revelation 3:15-16 here.

    I'm getting married next year and my best man is a preacher's son. He is incredibly knowledgeable and intellectual. I pick his brain constantly and we always have philosophical discussions on the nature of faith and existence.

    On the flip side another one of my groomsmen went to Florida Christian College and dropped out because he was unable to complete a research paper. Proving the Bible. He found that, for him, it wasn't possible and logic used in resources seemed flawed. He went to art school instead.

    My wife to be is Pagan. A religion far older than Christianity, yet Christian practices stole greatly from and persecuted this religion. Why should I relate my self to that? She lived in Guam for several years and ,aside from the fact that almost the entire population is devout catholic and learns the will of god, children would spit on her, call her names, and even threw rocks at her simply because she had different skin.

    Do I want to believe in god? sure. Will I believe in god? no. Will I go to church? no.

    It would honestly take something irrefutable "a miracle" at this point in my life for me to return to Christianity.
    sounds like you got hope and faith mixed up at one point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jblizzard View Post
    sounds like you got hope and faith mixed up at one point.
    You're going to have to elaborate. As I see it I am not confused.

    If you want me to take what you have to say seriously don't drop vague one liners and bail on the thread.

    hope (hp)
    v. hoped, hopˇing, hopes
    v.intr.
    1. To wish for something with expectation of its fulfillment.
    2. Archaic To have confidence; trust.
    v.tr.
    1. To look forward to with confidence or expectation: We hope that our children will be successful.
    2. To expect and desire. See Synonyms at expect.
    n.
    1. A wish or desire accompanied by confident expectation of its fulfillment.
    2. Something that is hoped for or desired: Success is our hope.
    3. One that is a source of or reason for hope: the team's only hope for victory.
    4. often Hope Christianity The theological virtue defined as the desire and search for a future good, difficult but not impossible to attain with God's help.
    5. Archaic Trust; confidence.
    Idiom:
    hope against hope
    To hope with little reason or justification.


    faith (fth)
    n.
    1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
    2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.
    3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
    4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
    5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
    6. A set of principles or beliefs.
    Idiom:
    in faith
    Indeed; truly.

    I was never waiting in earnest for something. I made a decision because it is not within me to blindly follow.

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