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    to add to the op thread i am going to say this.


    to not believe VS to believe in a higher power such as (GOD)



    why i believe in God... why not? I would rather believe that i have a better place to go when i die other than no where.I mean i can't really understand how people don't get it u don't want to believe in nothing thats fine live the rest of your life thinking when u die thats it so what if i believe in god i would like to think that if i was wrong and god does not exist then whoopi doo i loss nothing. BUT!!!! lets say i die and next thing i no here is another world that i have read about in the bible and all this is true.then it was worth every minute i spent learning. as for the people with no beliefs sad sad day...

    u ask explain in a milder way..

    Ok lets say u was going to cancun for vacation u hit that plane and u have no doubt!! in your mind in 5hr's u will be in cancun and the vacation will be so relaxing.But there is some things the pilot is going to have u do before u leave other wise u want leave,Now that is faith because you believe that u will be there in 5hr's. with faiths comes trust. U trust that the pilot is going to get you there alive.So u put your stuff up and grab the seat belt like your suppose to do.But u haven't even left the airport yet so why do u believe so much that u gonna make it??

    Because u would rather believe,trust and have faith in the pilot that he is going to get you there.Now isnt that better than thinking u going to die on the way there? other wise u would have never jumped on that plane.

    thats how i feel about God id rather trust his word and do what he would have me do so that i can make it to the other side..


    As for the people that say's oh! well u can't see god.I say go grab the good book and read there some great info about that in there and if you could understand it like u understand tiger woods cheating when u read it then u should be fine.I personally don't go out and try to drive ppl to religion because most religion now day's is so corrupt i don't blame them for staying away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stay_up View Post
    As for the people that say's oh! well u can't see god.I say go grab the good book and read there some great info about that in there
    You make some decent points. But not in the line I quoted. There is nothing in the "good book" that is going to provide concrete, physical evidence of God. It's just not there. I hope I end up in heaven if there is one. I live my life according to my morals (which do happen to be the basic 10 Commandments) and hope that the good life I lead will be sufficient to get me to a better place. Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stay_up View Post

    why i believe in God... why not? I would rather believe that i have a better place to go when i die other than no where.I mean i can't really understand how people don't get it u don't want to believe in nothing thats fine live the rest of your life thinking when u die thats it so what if i believe in god i would like to think that if i was wrong and god does not exist then whoopi doo i loss nothing. BUT!!!! lets say i die and next thing i no here is another world that i have read about in the bible and all this is true.then it was worth every minute i spent learning. as for the people with no beliefs sad sad day...

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    What if "something" does exist and you spent all of your time believing in the wrong thing?

    In addition, do you think if you live a good life that follows the commandments (I do, but don't necessarily believe in the Bible. It just happens to be that the commandments go along with how I choose to live.) that the God you believe in will send me to hell? Can I just live a good life and question the Bible and still go to heaven if there is one. Shouldn't God forgive my ignorance if the worst thing I did was question his existence based on the common sense he gave me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stay_up View Post
    why i believe in God... why not? I would rather believe that i have a better place to go when i die other than no where.I mean i can't really understand how people don't get it u don't want to believe in nothing thats fine live the rest of your life thinking when u die thats it so what if i believe in god i would like to think that if i was wrong and god does not exist then whoopi doo i loss nothing. BUT!!!! lets say i die and next thing i no here is another world that i have read about in the bible and all this is true.then it was worth every minute i spent learning. as for the people with no beliefs sad sad day...
    See at least this guy is honest with himself. He believes because it makes him feel better than if he didn't. But there is still some problems with the logic here. If you are wrong you don't know that you lose nothing. You are assuming the only choices are no God or the Christian God. Maybe you are worshipping the wrong God and the real God(s) hate it when you worship the Christian one.

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    I am no longer a Christian due to some experiences in my life. I still feel the need for spiritual fulfillment but my logical side refuses to let me believe. If I went to church now I would betray myself.

    I also have to express my displeasure over the lukewarm stances. If you are a believer, revel in it. Learn everything there is to know, grow and interpret. If you can't do that then you need to ask yourself the hard questions. Am I doing this because I am a coward? Do I need to believe in God simply because non-existance scares me? Am I just doing what is expected? I'll insert Revelation 3:15-16 here.

    I'm getting married next year and my best man is a preacher's son. He is incredibly knowledgeable and intellectual. I pick his brain constantly and we always have philosophical discussions on the nature of faith and existence.

    On the flip side another one of my groomsmen went to Florida Christian College and dropped out because he was unable to complete a research paper. Proving the Bible. He found that, for him, it wasn't possible and logic used in resources seemed flawed. He went to art school instead.

    My wife to be is Pagan. A religion far older than Christianity, yet Christian practices stole greatly from and persecuted this religion. Why should I relate my self to that? She lived in Guam for several years and ,aside from the fact that almost the entire population is devout catholic and learns the will of god, children would spit on her, call her names, and even threw rocks at her simply because she had different skin.

    Do I want to believe in god? sure. Will I believe in god? no. Will I go to church? no.

    It would honestly take something irrefutable "a miracle" at this point in my life for me to return to Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dorin48 View Post
    I am no longer a Christian due to some experiences in my life. I still feel the need for spiritual fulfillment but my logical side refuses to let me believe. If I went to church now I would betray myself.

    I also have to express my displeasure over the lukewarm stances. If you are a believer, revel in it. Learn everything there is to know, grow and interpret. If you can't do that then you need to ask yourself the hard questions. Am I doing this because I am a coward? Do I need to believe in God simply because non-existance scares me? Am I just doing what is expected? I'll insert Revelation 3:15-16 here.

    I'm getting married next year and my best man is a preacher's son. He is incredibly knowledgeable and intellectual. I pick his brain constantly and we always have philosophical discussions on the nature of faith and existence.

    On the flip side another one of my groomsmen went to Florida Christian College and dropped out because he was unable to complete a research paper. Proving the Bible. He found that, for him, it wasn't possible and logic used in resources seemed flawed. He went to art school instead.

    My wife to be is Pagan. A religion far older than Christianity, yet Christian practices stole greatly from and persecuted this religion. Why should I relate my self to that? She lived in Guam for several years and ,aside from the fact that almost the entire population is devout catholic and learns the will of god, children would spit on her, call her names, and even threw rocks at her simply because she had different skin.

    Do I want to believe in god? sure. Will I believe in god? no. Will I go to church? no.

    It would honestly take something irrefutable "a miracle" at this point in my life for me to return to Christianity.
    sounds like you got hope and faith mixed up at one point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jblizzard View Post
    sounds like you got hope and faith mixed up at one point.
    You're going to have to elaborate. As I see it I am not confused.

    If you want me to take what you have to say seriously don't drop vague one liners and bail on the thread.

    hope (hp)
    v. hoped, hopˇing, hopes
    v.intr.
    1. To wish for something with expectation of its fulfillment.
    2. Archaic To have confidence; trust.
    v.tr.
    1. To look forward to with confidence or expectation: We hope that our children will be successful.
    2. To expect and desire. See Synonyms at expect.
    n.
    1. A wish or desire accompanied by confident expectation of its fulfillment.
    2. Something that is hoped for or desired: Success is our hope.
    3. One that is a source of or reason for hope: the team's only hope for victory.
    4. often Hope Christianity The theological virtue defined as the desire and search for a future good, difficult but not impossible to attain with God's help.
    5. Archaic Trust; confidence.
    Idiom:
    hope against hope
    To hope with little reason or justification.


    faith (fth)
    n.
    1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
    2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.
    3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
    4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
    5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
    6. A set of principles or beliefs.
    Idiom:
    in faith
    Indeed; truly.

    I was never waiting in earnest for something. I made a decision because it is not within me to blindly follow.

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