i always wanted to know this...so please explain it to me...i went to church and had faith until of course something happen and i lost that faith...well anyways in the bible it says that you cant be gay because its a sin but it also says that god created everyone...so god made a mistake by making those gay people and punish them??? because scientifically people that are gay were born with more of progestin/estrogen...and of course they're a hand full of them that just want to be gay...
Honestly what it seemed like in the OP is that he is trying to hint at why the hardcore athiests are so hellbent on telling everyone their beliefs about nothing. "God doesn't exist, why can you believe in that shit? There is no empyrical evidence ...." those kinds of people. And I honestly don't understand why you want to spread a message of nothingness but, whatever floats your boat I guess.
Now I am a christian, BUT, I am a terrible example of what one should be so I don't preach about it or wear crosses. I drink alot, swear alot, and do dumb shit so I don't like to flaunt it cause I am certainly not setting an example. The only time I will tell someone about my religion is if they ask. The reason I do this, I don't want someone forcing their beliefs on me so I pay everyone else the courtesy. Those people on the street corners preaching Jesus annoy me as well, I appreciate why they are there, but it pisses me off and if they were gonna stand somewhere stand in front of a church or something, not a fucking rock concert. All they are doing is giving religion a bad name and they are doing so much more harm than good for their cause. Most christians aren't like this.
@EJdm: I still debate this with my hardcore christian friend (who sleeps around alot .. go figure). I personally don't think the bible condemns homosexuality. Here is my reasoning, god made them. I have also noticed that most people who think homosexuals go to hell also believe that it is a choice. No, it is not a choice. You don't just wake up and say "well, today I like women because it is more socially acceptable", you are born with an attraction to one sex or the other thats it. If you want me to elaborate further I can but for now I am exhausted, school is killing me!
The same can be said about the hardcore "Chrisitans." Why are they so hellbent on telling everyone they need to live by the rules of GOd or the Bible?Originally Posted by Pulp_Fiction
Again, the same thing can be said here. Why do you want to spread a message of nothingness?
It's a two-way street on that topic so why question what others do or believe in? Later, QD.
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Did you read the rest of my post? Answered. I don't want anyone spreading anything unless asked. I used to live in Utah and was constantly harassed by mormons .... I know what it feels like. But people are passionate about religion so I guess people can be passionate about nothingness. Being a christian you stand behind your beliefs but I don't know why you want to stand behind nothing but I suppose some people could.
@s14unimog: 1/2 Christian? As opposed to a whole one? All that matters in the end is that you are saved and believe in God. You don't get on heaven based on works. Whether you go to church every sunday or not at all it makes no difference. Everyone worships and honors god in their own way. And making statements like the ones you made are all operating under the assumption that someone is capable of being a 100% pure christian. We are all humans and all flawed, religion is about purity in an unpure world and we do the best we can but we are all flawed and no one is capable of being 100% christian, thats kinda the whole point of religion there. Now I am non-demoninational so I just say christian, but this is totally different from a catholic perspective. Don't get me started on them, I'm sure I despise those catholic activists as much as anyone on here. Catholicism consists of way to many man made rituals, so please don't base your opinion of the christian religions on them.
It is also hard to argue faith. Thats what religion is, you put your faith in something beyond yourself. I can't prove to you that I am right but you can't prove I am wrong (religion in a nutshell). It is a lot easier to cut down religious responses to your tongue-in-cheek questions when you already know you are going to disapprove of the answers. If you have serious questions please ask them but keep an open mind, all the religious people on here are doing our best to explain this but you have to understand how difficult it is to argue faith and how simple it is to cut it down with science.
According to your religion this is not a true statement. there are no scriptures that suggest you don't have to be 100% Christian, and you know that.
The questions I have listed above are very serious one. Each apply to believers in a serious manner. I would like a serious response. Why is it so difficult to explain, your religion is supposed to provide all of the answers for you. Its simple to cut you down with science b/c I have FACTUAL EVIDENCE!
I appreciate your response and the tone in which you responded to it but the fact remains that countless events of so called "acts of god" have been disproved and scientifically explained. And I do agree with you that I can't fully disprove you but you can't expect me to believe in creationism, or that Jona survived in a whale, when science can disprove that. Aside from debates about faith, and its contradictions towards science my biggest problem with religion comes back to the death and destruction it has caused. Its a malicious organization built to control a populous. Don't believe me, look in your history books.
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Like I said, that's a two-way street. You know there are more people trying to spread "the Word" than there are that try to spread atheism. You get preyed upon in your own neighborhood. You get preyed upon when you go to the grocery store. I don't go to people's houses at 9am on a Saturday morning and try to teach them about whatever.
You stand behind a faith. Faith is not a "something." It is not a tangible item. So in essence, we both stand for nothingness.
I agree. Faith is like an opinion. You can't argue it. There is no clear cut right or wrong answer.
For the record, I do believe in God (pretty sure I stated this earlier in the thread). I just have questions that no one on Earth can answer. I don't like to be preyed upon by "Christians." I don't like "Christian" people. That's ust me. Later, QD.
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Of course. It doesn't matter how good or moral you are, just that you believe.
The underwear gnomes in my dresser just created the universe 5 minutes ago and gave us all memories. Can you prove me wrong?
Pascal's wager is fundamentally flawed on so many levels. First of all it's a false dichotomy, it ignores all other religions and all other hells to which you could be subjugated for choosing the wrong god. It also makes the claim that belief and worship cost nothing, which isn't true. There are also a couple of underlying assumptions...like that belief is subject to the will, in which case you choose to believe as an insurance policy, and that this god is credulous enough to buy into it.to add to the op thread i am going to say this.
to not believe VS to believe in a higher power such as (GOD)
why i believe in God... why not? I would rather believe that i have a better place to go when i die other than no where.I mean i can't really understand how people don't get it u don't want to believe in nothing thats fine live the rest of your life thinking when u die thats itso what if i believe in god i would like to think that if i was wrong and god does not exist then whoopi doo i loss nothing. BUT!!!! lets say i die and next thing i no here is another world that i have read about in the bible and all this is true.then it was worth every minute i spent learning. as for the people with no beliefs sad sad day...
There are two types of faith, testable and non-testable.
All theists/atheists require testable faith. We use it every day to walk, drive, work, perform any activity.
Non-testable faith can only be applied to religions that have a divine supernatural entity.
We all have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow, but that faith is based on evidence rather than a lack of evidence like religious faith. Faith that your plane will arrive safely is based on evidence that there is a very low likelyhood of a crash. This is testable.
Probably the same as your reasoning for not believing in leprechauns.
1. I'm fairly certain we have free will. We don't control some aspects of our lives, but that doesn't mean it's controlled by a cosmic universe creator. I have seen nothing in my life to which I needed to attribute to some supernatural cause.
2. There are plenty of worldly consequences for every action.
The burden of proof lies with those making the claim. You don't have the facts to disprove any other deities, by your own logic that puts the Judeo-Christian god on the same level as any other god as far as provability.
Nothing is known about what exists outside of spacetime. It's the old god of the gaps argument. We don't have an explanation for a cause so therefor it's god. Creation itself is a causal activity. Causality is contigent upon time. How does a timeless being do causal things?
I can't question your personal experience, but I hope you can see how your experience isn't valid evidence for another person.
He has answered all your prayers? If that's true, please pray to end world hunger. I have a feeling it's just confirmation bias, but we'll see.
People who claim to know god isn't real are just as fundamentalist as religious people who claim to know god is real. It's a very closed minded way of thinking as neither can be known since such claims are not falsifiable.
God isn't the only possible explanation. You really think god used his infinite gas hack so you wouldn't be stranded but won't cure AIDS?Well i tell you this thread is starting to turnout mature again1 other thing is i have to believe in god because i was raised around a dad that trusted him to the max and did things that would make a no since to a person that doe's not no him in a personal way.I will give u the reasons why i no he is real.
I was around 8yr old when we was on a church trip back from mexico we had given all our money away to the kids pretty much and had just a few $ left.at the time i was like wow! u got to be kidding me this church stuff is going to get us stranded out here in the middle of no where lost.It was about 4-5 car's all travel together we have enough $ to get to the alabama line by the time we pulled up on (E) for the last fill up the pastor filled every 1 else up with the little money he had and then said lets see if god wil work for us. He pulled out duck tape from my dads old van"which was our work van also" he put tape over the empty gas hand and prayed then drove from the alabama line to out side athens ga on (E) ran out of gas as he was turning in to his house. U can say what ever you like about luck are whatever,But from that moment on i think my belief in god growed because luck would not have ever got him that far on (E) about 121miles
Newsflash: yes, He did cure AIDS.
"Natural immunity to HIV/AIDS was discovered in some Nairobi sex workers by UM researchers in the 1980s and is thought to be one of the most promising leads for the development of a safe and effective vaccine to prevent HIV, but its rarity has made it difficult to establish a critical mass of data from which meaningful conclusions can be drawn."
http://umanitoba.ca/news/blogs/blog/...ty-to-hivaids/
Now whether or not it will be actually pursued by those in charge of making such decisions to develop new medicines is debatable. As with everything in todays world, money is king. They make more money using the cocktails of drugs needed to enhance the immune system than they would if they actually cured the disease.
To the OP (geoff), it's always refreshing to see someone "on fire" like you. Keep your chin up, and keep up the Good Work bro - i'm praying for your success.
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I like how you only responded to one half of a sentence in a way that had nothing to do with the point. You're also wrong. Until an effective vaccine is developed and administered to the infected, HIV/AIDS has not been cured.
Edit: ...And even if/when AIDS is cured, what reason would one have to believe that it's the work of god(s) and not man?
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Wouldn't natural immunity be a force of evolution working here? Just like when brown/black bears started living in the polar regions their coats would change to a white/lighter shade to blend in with surroundings giving the bears a better chance of living, survival of the fittest. How are the workers evolving, they are resistant to the AIDS/HIV virus and giving these workers a better chance to survive in the area.
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Well addressed. You can call yourself Christian but are not one through your actions.
The single biggest cause of Atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Him with their lips but walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. Now THAT is what an unbelieving world simply finds, unbelievable.
and what you personally think of homosexuality not being condemned by God (or at least shouldn't) is Biblically wrong or mis-informed (along with your hardcare Christian friend who sleeps around alot)... Read 1 Corinthians 6: 9-11 and if it don't get much more plain than that... Keep reading that chapter and it explains why.
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