What do you think?
Happens when you die? (real talk for a minute) This has been a heavy subject the past few weeks at work and home (I work with my family). I can say im a spiritual person, and embrace my jewish heritage, but as much as I believe there is a higher being, I have always wondered if heaven is just a way to make dying more manageable or if there really is something else.. What's your thoughts?
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Depends on your death, it can. As evidenced many times over, some "people" stick around on Earth for either a little while or for eternity. For people that do leave the planet (if they really leave at all), no one truly knows. For what people say about Heaven, I hope it's there and I go there. But I guess I just don't know. Later, QD.
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I would guess nothing happens but I don't really know. Of course believing in an afterlife or heaven sure makes death a lot less scary. For good or bad, we fear the unknown, that's human nature.
I'm with QD on this. I don't really know. The bible speaks of their being a heaven and so therefore I guess there is, but do I know for a fact? No. Why are some people left behind to wonder the earth? I mean there are so many questions, but honestly can never be answered. It if makes death easier to deal by believing their is a heaven, then what's the problem? I can only trust in what I read because by questioning I will never have the answers.
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I know there is a heaven and i'm a strong believer of my faith. I don't try to argue with people about if its real or fake and if god does or don't exist. That isnt what he wants nor is the bible about. I just can say this when i die id rather be at peace knowing or believing there is a better place for me in the after life. That heaven and my family is waiting for me. Why would i wanna be a nay sayer what does that do for me when its my time. Those are the ones who will worry and be scared the most. When you have no hope or dreams of what is for you to come. That is what will be the scary part of dieing.
I know ill be going happy and at peace i just pray for the ones that will be lost and damned for eternity.
I know you believe strongly in your faith so you might not see my point (and I'm not trying to conflict you), but there is a difference in "knowing" and "faith." You don't "know" that there is a heaven. You faith allows you to believe there is a heaven. And I find nothing at all wrong with that. It's great to have something to believe in. A belief of an afterlife where you could spend a happy eternity. I honeslty hope that that is how it ends and I'd want to be a par of that. However;
Not "knowing for sure" what is to become of us, it can be hard to say. Some people live their life on facts. Not one human being on this Earth knows for a fact that there is a heaven. I strive to do good in my life so that if that time comes and if there is Heaven that will allow me to enter, then I'll be glad to. I follow the 10 Commandments to a tee (aside from the dreaded GD word which I hate myself for using each time i do) and hope that my actions on Earth will be rewarded nicely when I'm not of this Earth. I guess we'll see, huh. Later, QD.
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I agree that believing in heaven may make the end of life easier for some however some of us don't feel that just because we want it to be true makes it so. We aren't trying to be "nay sayers" we are just admitting our own ignorance...also known as humility.
That's fine if it makes you more comfortable with death, however that doesn't add any truth value nor does it provide any evidence for the existence of a god. Non-believers can't just choose to have blind faith in something that makes no logical sense to them...except for maybe Kirk Cameron, but not the case with the majority of atheists. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Saying that either there's no god or the Christian god is a false dichotomy. What if you're worshiping the wrong god? There are many religions that damn all nonbelievers, so the odds of the Christian god being the right one, if there is a god in the first place, are very slim.
There doesn't have to be an invisible guy looking over everyone's shoulder for people to do good things. If I know that this is the only life I'll get, it has much more value than if I know I will live infinitely past my death. As Steven Weinberg put it, "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." When looking at the whole timeline of human evolution, religion only came into existence in our most recent ancestors. We did just fine up until that point. Religion is purely man made.
I believe that when your body dies, your mind follows suit and returns to a state of nonexistence, just like before your birth. There's no good evidence to suggest that a soul transcends the body or that there is any sort of afterlife. I think believing otherwise is just wishful thinking. When you die, you're dead. That's it, no escape to a magical sky kingdom, no eternal suffering. Feeling this way makes me realize just how precious life is and how privileged I am to be a part of it.
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So please, define good, because there are plenty of "good" people doing evil things that are not people of some sort of faith. My point is that I do not consider myself good nor do I consider myself religious. Religious to me defines a person who believes that their goodness or lack of determines their sanctity. If I could honestly look at my life and consider myself to be "good" then there is a problem with my own view of myself. I have lied, I have stolen, I have hurt other people...so how can I qualify myself as good? All it takes is one time. The question of morality is right and wrong...it is yes or no...you either are good or you are not. If you have any wrong in you then you cannot be good. I could have lived a great life and my only wrong doing was murder...am I still good? I only did one wrong thing...why would I be bad? What is your definition of good vs bad? Do you think its a scale...the amount of good vs the amount of bad...now how do you know if your "good" deeds in and of themselves did not cause bad results? Are they still good if they do?There doesn't have to be an invisible guy looking over everyone's shoulder for people to do good things. If I know that this is the only life I'll get, it has much more value than if I know I will live infinitely past my death. As Steven Weinberg put it, "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
My point is that this statement assumes a universal definition and understanding of good. We do not carry one, yet we have a morally understood code, which Weinberg denies...well this is a philosophical problem. We do not have a definition of good yet we can call the acts of a man good or evil...This statement doesn't really make sense in his world view because good and evil are relative constructs of human intellect, and there is no ground for you to judge my good or bad because it is just as valuable as yours. When we prosecuted the generals of Nazi Germany this was not a suitable defense "in our country, doing what we did was legal therefor you cannot punish us for what we did in service of our country under our countries law" they made this argument and we said, yes we can because the laws that you violated were laws against all of mankind and the laws of man condemn you.
that is false. We do not have records of any society that was religion/faith free. Not a one. Now if you are talking about organized widespread religion then that is a different story...the mega churches and cultural priorities that infiltrate faith systems is damaging and that is something that happened in the last 3000 years.
But I actually find it interesting that you said the wrong God vs the right God. For instance when you address the Judeo-Christian God vs Zeus and Thor, you are now talking about something much different. You are talking about something that has been argued with evidence vs something that has none to support the existence. This is a very significant that should be addressed.
You are right though about some people taking more evidence to believe. I am one of those people, and it took tons of evidence for me to believe what I believe, but I will say that the evidence is there and I believe it is an act of God to open hearts to understanding of such things, because in the hardness of our hearts we can deny anything regardless of evidence...
But back on topic,
The question about what happens after you die is not just a Christian question, but so many approach it that way when just about every religion contributes its understanding of morality to some sort of after this life reward. Now my beliefs are that the Christian faith has the best evidence laid out that if you were to bring the case to a court there could be no wrong, just as there was no wrong in Christ.
How do you give account to the enumerable religions that all have beliefs in the afterlife, and how do you account for the studies that have been done and the paranormal to support such beliefs? I don't believe that the thousands upon thousands of accounts of paranormal activity are all wrong. In fact all it takes is one account to be true, just like with UFO's, Jesus.
"Their [the new atheists] treatment of the religious viewpoint is pathetic to the point of non-being. Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing... I am indignant at the poor quality of the argumentation in Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and all of the others in that group."
~Michael Ruse, atheist & author and philosopher of biology at Florida State University
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This isn't evidence for an afterlife. It is evidence that religions understand a promise of reward/punishment helps to change behaviors.
One of the main purposes of religion is to answer the scary and difficult questions in life in order to make people feel better or more comfortable. If a religion claimed there were no afterlife it sure would be harder to control people's behaviour.
Even though I don't necessarily agree I will concede there are legitimate paranormal phenomenon for the sake of argument. That still doesn't prove an afterlife. We certainly don't understand such phenomena (if they exist at all) so I think it's rather premature to use them to claim it proves an afterlife. For example, it could be a lingering energy thats like a snapshot of a person's thoughts before they died. It hardly proves they still have consciousness. Also, there is absolutely no reason to believe its for eternity either.
Gary Schwartz's study demonstrated that something is left of the consciousness of people who are deceased. He of course gets flaked for it because it is not mainstream, but none-the-less he provided hard data that when looked at objectively makes a good case for something going on that is legitimate.
Also, the idea of whether or not there is an eternity is a different discussion, we can go into that too, but I thought this thread was simply about what we thought happens when you die. Even if that afterlife is only for a couple of moments to a couple of decades there is still something left to be understood about what makes us who we are.
Humans are physical, mental, and spiritual. We possess something that cannot be measured through hard science and numbers because these things transcend the physical. To understand their existence and to define them scientifically are two different things. I am suggesting that there is life...I am not suggesting that we have been able to scientifically pen the specifics of the transition into that life after life.
"Their [the new atheists] treatment of the religious viewpoint is pathetic to the point of non-being. Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing... I am indignant at the poor quality of the argumentation in Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and all of the others in that group."
~Michael Ruse, atheist & author and philosopher of biology at Florida State University
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You aren't necessarily evil because you have done those things. Whether you are good or not has less to do with the quantity of evil deeds and more to do with the impact of those deeds on other people. If you murdered someone than you have caused the ultimate harm to that person. That makes you more evil than liars or thieves because you have inflicted the worst possible damage upon your fellow man.
The bible says it's a sin to lie, but what if I lived in Nazi Germany and was hiding Jews in my home. Then one day the Gestapo comes by and asks if I'm harboring Jews. In that case would lying be immoral? Would I be a better person for telling the truth?
You don't always know. Sometimes what seems like the right thing to do can be wrong, in that case the deed is no longer good. However that doesn't make the person bad if they really meant to do good, it just means they made a mistake. I still think people should be held accountable for all their actions regardless of intent.
While I don't think there is an absolute objective good or evil, modern society has a fairly universal understanding of morality. We may disagree on some things but we have a general concept of what's right and what's wrong. Like I said above, it's based on how your actions effect those around you.
Please show me evidence of religion in Homo habilis or even Homo erectus...
They are all unfalsifiable and there is no evidence to support the existence of any god.
If that's the case you should publish a peer reviewed scientific journal with all of your "evidence."
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."
Consensus does not equate truth.
Sorry OP but this post is almost completely off topic.
Christian, there are plenty of other threads that this type of conversation could live in. but here is my response none the less.
So... you also said this
Well if this is the case then how do you rationalize penalties for murder. If life has no value save for a little bit of fun, then why does it have value should it be taken? Why does the individual life, in your world view, warrant protecting? If once a person is dead, they have not cognitive or conscious existence then why are they valuable?I believe that when your body dies, your mind follows suit and returns to a state of nonexistence, just like before your birth.
Again this question is misrepresenting the foundations of the Christian world view. As I stated in a previous post, you cannot be a better person either way, whether you tell the truth this time or whether you lie. It is very clear that the Bible states that none of us are good people. So in my worldview the only thing that can justify your actions, as loving actions, to save the lives of those you are harboring, is Christ, as his life is the only one that I believe to have ever been truly good.The bible says it's a sin to lie, but what if I lived in Nazi Germany and was hiding Jews in my home. Then one day the Gestapo comes by and asks if I'm harboring Jews. In that case would lying be immoral? Would I be a better person for telling the truth?
Also, you misrepresent the commandment of lying. The commandments are about the condition of the heart during the deeds written with in. In other words, there is a very distinct difference between lying to save because of love, and lying to lie because of self preservation or malice intent. The condition of the heart in either of these opposing deeds is completely different. In the book of Samual God tells Samuel to be careful how he looks upon David (who would later be king), do not judge him based on his appearance because I have already rejecting him based on this, and then God tells Samuel, "but I am not a man, and what I am looking at (when looking at David) is his heart".
This is important, because as men we often try to judge whether or not we are "good" based on the outward. We do the same thing when we look at the character of God. But we cannot understand God therefore we are not able to give judgement toward him, yet we are given the
If there is no absolute morality, then how do you justify punishing anyone? If there is no absolute then how can you justify debating things in this thread? In saying there is no absolute, then you remove the validity of any statement that you make because you admit that what you say is not necessarily true, but its your opinion and anything you do is okay as long as it is your rule for yourself. This is where you lose the ability to punish those who do wrong because they are doing what is within their moral compass.You don't always know. Sometimes what seems like the right thing to do can be wrong, in that case the deed is no longer good. However that doesn't make the person bad if they really meant to do good, it just means they made a mistake. I still think people should be held accountable for all their actions regardless of intent.
While I don't think there is an absolute objective good or evil, modern society has a fairly universal understanding of morality. We may disagree on some things but we have a general concept of what's right and what's wrong. Like I said above, it's based on how your actions effect those around you.
My christian world view, holds this accountability. How, because I believe that God is just, and that nothing can escape his justice and nothing can escape his law. I believe that his law is the absolute of which all men have built into the very DNA that identifies us. Outside of this worldview is relativism. You have just demonstrated relativism by saying that a persons actions can be bad, the person can be good, and they should be punished still.
This question assumes that I believe in this type of evolution. I don't. But I can say that in all of our history and pre-history, every man that we can truthfully understand their ways of life, had some sort of understanding of our extra-physical existence. Which is why I said religion/faith. Because in all of our existence we have always known there was more, but we do not truly "know" God until he reveals himself to us.Please show me evidence of religion in Homo habilis or even Homo erectus...
You can know that something is there but now "know" the specifics of that thing.
The evidence is great. Its your ability or desire to really try to understand it that is lacking. Only a person in denial makes a statement like that. You see, I believe that all men know that there is a God, and we know that we have a set of rules of which we should live by that transcend our societal understandings of law. I think that is one of the reasons why people spend so much time trying to refute the evidence that is presented.They are all unfalsifiable and there is no evidence to support the existence of any god.
If that's the case you should publish a peer reviewed scientific journal with all of your "evidence."
Much like your mother telling you to clean your room and you hear her calling your name ,but you simply ignore it. You know that she has the authority over you, yet you ignore her. You know that she can come into the room and punish you, yet you ignore her for the sake of your own foolishness, because you realize that your mother eventually will come and will set forth her authority over you. This is an example of the denial that I think some men demonstrate. You know in your deepest core that God is real, and so desperately we want to do our best to try to put him out of our minds because we also know that he is just and that he is powerful and that we have been running from him.
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."
Consensus does not equate truth.[/quote]
I agree... so how can you be a relativist? Now remember that same thing when you try to argue evolutionary stand points and when you try to explain away morality. How do you suppose this statement to be true in your world view...in mine, Truth exists, in yours how does it? how do you have absolute truth in a world of relativism?
My point in all of this is that in order to even begin to make statements to support your world view, you have demonstrated that we must take away ideas from the Christian world view. You mentioned justice, you mentioned truth, you mentioned law...and all of these things have no grounding in anything if they are seen purely as constructs of men and products of culture in society. If that were the case, then your world view also believes that you are foolish for wasting time discussion these things of which you do not believe to be true/real.
"Their [the new atheists] treatment of the religious viewpoint is pathetic to the point of non-being. Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing... I am indignant at the poor quality of the argumentation in Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and all of the others in that group."
~Michael Ruse, atheist & author and philosopher of biology at Florida State University
full article
Personally I wouldn't waste time energy and effort w/ this one. Focus on what you can see and taste and touch and feel. Make this life here on Earth the best life that you can... it is liekly the only life that you will have. To ask the invisible for more than what we as a people have already bveen blessed with is is just plain rude. IMO the BLESSING is the opportunity that you have already been given to live on this rock and make good choices and help people and live a good life - I feel that it ends there. IMHO when you die you're done.
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That's kind of how I'm doing. I live my life well. I don't steal, kill, do things that would endanger people, live a reckless life, do drugs, cheat or anything that would be immoral. I live almost a Christian-like life without really being a Christian. If Heaven is there for me, then cool. If not, then cool. But I'm living my life now how I think it should be lived. Later, QD.
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If they was a way to prove that God doesn't exist and that when we die thats it done and over would we wanna live in that world ?
I mean we have a sinful world now full of hate crime and death if they knew for a fact and if they was no God then we would have all been dead and gone long ago from the craziness of our ways of living and the people of our world.
Who knows. No one because no one truly knows how we got here in the first place. So no one knows our purpose here. I see the better argument to prove His existence than to disprove it.
Again, I'm not knocking you as I don't do that. Your posts are strongly faith driven and that's why you favor the existence of God. I'm on the fence so I'm able to see both sides. That's all, man. Later, QD.
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Yes sir to everyone their own...But when you die and if you haven't accepted Jesus as your savior and God as his father your creator. Then you wont get in to heaven but for a few seconds to be judged and sent to hell for not following his most important rule and that is to know and Acknowledge thy father and the holy Christ his son.
I would absolutely. I enjoy living on this world and I don't believe in God as it is. Just cause the party has to end sometime doesn't mean you should just stay home. It's quite the opposite, if our life really is over when we die, time is even more precious so you better make the most of it while you are alive.
I agree with this too.. I realize I only have one life on earth to live.. and Im going to live it to my full capacity. I will love to the fullest, live to the fullest, and strive to be the best woman I can be.
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Here is my take on the matter:
Through my research I have concluded that some type of evolution is true. That means humans evolved from some type of other primate, and that other type of primate evolved from some type of monkey, and that type of monkey evolved from some other type of mammal, and that type of mammal evolved... going all way back to the most simplest of creatures.
These simple creatures could not be judged by their actions. You can not judge a mouse on it's integrity, you can not judge a fish by it's morals, you can not judge a bacterium by it's ethics.
So where in human evolution did the ability to be judged and go to an afterlife occur? Did it occur in Homo Erectus? Were pre-homo sapiens able to go to Heaven? Where is this bold clear line of NO HEAVEN / HEAVEN in human evolution? Since there isn't really a bold clear line in evolution anyway, how can something so black/white, on/off such as a Heaven/Hell exist? Why are humans so determined that we are so different than the rest of the animal kingdom? We are animals just like dogs, cats, squirrels, mice. The only thing majorly different is our brain power. If our brain is the only major component so different, then the soul must be in the brain. But the brain is a material object, so how can an immaterial object depend solely on this material brain object. So when your brain gets destroyed you unique humanness is also destroyed. So how do you go to Heaven without your material brain? You can't. So I guess there is no Heaven/Hell.
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stfu that shit is just ignorant dont stray from from op topic
The op topic is "Happens when you die?"
Debating whether Jesus was killed by Jews or Romans is not the question.
heaven for me i hope lassie , i fully believe in the man upstairs
amen to that lol
People are afraid of death. Thinking that they won't really die makes them happy - feel better about themselves. Humans are aware of their own impending death, but are in a high level of denial. It's probably because society today is so selfish that they cannot picture leaving everything that they've accomplished here - and have nothing afterwards. A heaven - could be a place of pure happiness, and have powers that could provide anyone with whatever they desire.
This, motivates them to "work hard" to reach heaven. Stupidity at its best.
and thus the reason why every man on this forum should take a very serious inquiry into the claims of Christ. (notice I did not say the claims of Christianity)
Because if the body of Christ was not produced and there were witnesses to his death, and then witness to him living (physically) AFTER his death, then even what you have written is not necessarily true. History shows that a man walked this Earth, died, and did not stay dead.
You see for me, I have no fear of death. Nor do I place the value of my life on physical things. My view on death is that it must come, but it is not the end. It makes perfect sense for a believer in Christ to cope with death by believing that they will live, because Christ said that they would live, as he said the he would live, and there is very strong evidence to suggest that death was not his end. If this is even remotely possible, then everyone on this planet should take careful consideration of the evidence with an open heart.
This is the moment that defines Christ as not just another prophet, but the true Messiah, who conquered death, (the greatest enemy to mankind).
Put yourself in the shoes of the people who witnessed this (BTW...some scholars believe there were some 500 ish witnesses to a resurrected Christ) But even now 2000 years later. Name one other person who has ever been speculated to have done this...I think anyone who does not investigates this with sincerity does their own intellect a disservice.
You act as if our worldly possessions have influenced this thought, but look at human history...we have no record of a single society who widely thought that death was the end. But just so you know we have records of countless societies who have had nothing, and still lived with an understanding that death is not the end. This idea is not thought up, its ingrained in our humanity.
I actually think the denial is on the part of those who look at all the evidence and have to force themselves to think its all mumbo jumbo. I mean you really have to deny your own consciousness to believe that you are just physical meat and bones and nothing more. IF that is the case what compels you to "just be good and live a good life" Why? If your are not a morally grounded being then why not just do what you want? People do really well financially by lying and cheating and stealing. Why does that not work well for you. If you are just flesh and bones, another animal...why not go out and chase tail instead of getting married....why not eliminate all the competition, why worry about your comfort, why go to college, why vote, why visit the religion threads on this forum. None of these things make sense to me in a world where we just 'are'.
I believe that some people on here are having these discussions in an attempt to justify their life apart from their spirituality because they are the ones trying to feel better about themselves. Make yourself feel better by finding an illiterate religion freak and telling them like it is...but ask yourself why thats important to you? If you just are, why is it important to you to try to get in these types of conversations. There is something more to every single one of us because somehow we are all in the same boat. And for those of you who fit this description you can't make me feel any worse than I do when I think about my wrongdoing leading to the sacrifice of a man who had no fault. That makes me hurt, because I cannot stop doing wrong and every time there is a painful reminder of why I am a believer in Christ. You can't make believers feel worse than that.
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"Their [the new atheists] treatment of the religious viewpoint is pathetic to the point of non-being. Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing... I am indignant at the poor quality of the argumentation in Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and all of the others in that group."
~Michael Ruse, atheist & author and philosopher of biology at Florida State University
full article
why do we even have a religion section? it's a waste. there is no right/wrong answer. no one knows for sure. this argument has been going on forever and will continue to go on forever so what's the point in going back and forth with each other? you believe what you want to believe.
This is an interesting thread.
I am a believer. I believe the claims that Christ made based on pieces of evidence, but I also don't believe the methodological thinking that we place on our understanding of heaven. For instance the thought process of the clouds and golden pearly gates and golden streets, etc etc... that was a construct of men and that idea is not really supported in the Bible. I think that we have lost some of the meaning and understanding of what heaven is, and maybe we never really understood it. Because I believe the Bible to be accurate, I can look at the accounts of men who were gifted to be able to look into heaven, but even in their accounts there are things that we are not supposed to know, which is evident when the angels give instruction to not record certain things that are seen.
But I definitely can't agree with these two points of view:
1. I am just going to be good and see what happens (who defines good? if your goodness is defined by you then it is relative. Relative goodness is evil to someone else. To some people we are evil just because we are Americans, in this case whose moral compass trumps the other. If you base your goodness on the bible and following the commandments (Jewish or not) then you have to admit that the Bible says that none are good except one. This is evidenced for Christians by the need for death and resurrection of Christ, and this is evidenced by Jews by their continued need for sacrifices as a way to repent to God for breaking the law. Either way the Bible says to Jews and Christians, you trying to be good is not good enough.)
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2. I think we just die and that's it. With all of the accounts of the supernatural part of humanity it is strange for anyone who has really looked into this to assume that death is the end of you. I think the evidence shows that somehow, some part of us lives on in some form of existence. Ghosts, spirits of the long since dead communicating or visiting their living relatives or friends. Physical manifestations of other worldly things. These are some of the evidences for a more than physical human existence.
"Their [the new atheists] treatment of the religious viewpoint is pathetic to the point of non-being. Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing... I am indignant at the poor quality of the argumentation in Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and all of the others in that group."
~Michael Ruse, atheist & author and philosopher of biology at Florida State University
full article
you die then decompose.
your body is still there. your mind is brought wherever you want it to go. just like in life.
Death is eternal imagination.
QD you are going to hell for all of the negative reps that you have provided the general IA populace.
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But I should be rewarded aptly for the positives Ive bestowed upon people as well. Later, QD.
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What happens? Are you a muslim? If so, read the "Qur'an" and you will find out. Are you christian? Read the bible "You will find out". And if you read both Bible or Qur'an, you will find that they talk about the same thing. Beleive it or not.
I'm a muslim, and I beleive in god. I've read and i've been told by people who read Qur'an what happens when you die. So I don't need to answer or question what happens when I die, cus I know what will happen, I follow Qur'an and beleive in Allah. I don't need other people opinions, and I dont see why you should need any either.
Each to his own tho, because NONE of us went and came back and told the story of how it is when you die.
I may not make any sense, but this is my comment. tybye.
i am with you on this
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It's really simple!! The BIBLE says there is a Heaven and Hell. What more do you need? If you are saved and accept the Lord JESUS CHRIST as your savior your IN, if you DON'T your Not. Those who know him and have a relationship with him will enter the gates of Heaven, those who deny him and choose another path go to HELL! John 3:16 says it all, For god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son so whoever believes in me shall not perish but have everlasting life!! Either you believe or you don't theres no ridding the Fence when it comes to Eternity!!!!
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It's so interesting to me to get the take on other religons on this subject..
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I know everyone has their own opinion or beliefs but the FACT of the matter is..... You only get to HEAVEN one way and thats through JESUS CHRIST!! All other religions are FALSE. There is only ONE GOD and he is in HEAVEN and has an EMPTY tomb. Allah,Buddah, Muhammad and whoever else, they are all Burried in the ground!!!!!!!!!!! Believe whats in your heart, and when the day comes and your at the gates of HEAVEN they will look in the BOOK OF LIFE and see if your name is in it, and if you NEVER knew JESUS it won't be!!!!!!!!!!! SATAN and HELL are REAL and wait for all who don't BELIEVE!!!!!
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