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    If you lived in Nazi Germany circa 1939, and someone of high authority asked you if your neighbor was a jew (which you knew he was), would you lie or not? Which part of the bible overrules the Nazi authority asking a simple question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    If you lived in Nazi Germany circa 1939, and someone of high authority asked you if your neighbor was a jew (which you knew he was), would you lie or not? Which part of the bible overrules the Nazi authority asking a simple question?
    you may want to study up on this. The antisemitic movement did NOT start in 1939. It was seeded long before that. Also, your question is loaded. You are leaving out the fact that most Germans knew what was happening to Jews. It was no secret.

    Also, you ask which part of the Bible overrules them asking this question. Very simple. The commandment to not Kill, not commit murder. You are trying to look at the end action as separate from the first action. If you set out to gather information with the intent of harming someone else it is called plotting to kill, or conspiracy to kill. Not only is this against the intended law given by God, but it is against the man made laws in most country's. You are trying to assume that God's law is the same as mans. God gave laws that were intended to judge the heart of the persons involved. The condition of your heart is what determines your actions. The heart of a person who commit malicious murder is not the same as a person who kills to defend his life from the same person. The heart of a person who lies to gain is not the same as the heart of a person who lies to protect as he is commanded to value life.
    "Their [the new atheists] treatment of the religious viewpoint is pathetic to the point of non-being. Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing... I am indignant at the poor quality of the argumentation in Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and all of the others in that group."

    ~Michael Ruse, atheist & author and philosopher of biology at Florida State University
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    Quote Originally Posted by sport_122 View Post
    you may want to study up on this. The antisemitic movement did NOT start in 1939. It was seeded long before that. Also, your question is loaded. You are leaving out the fact that most Germans knew what was happening to Jews. It was no secret.

    Also, you ask which part of the Bible overrules them asking this question. Very simple. The commandment to not Kill, not commit murder. You are trying to look at the end action as separate from the first action. If you set out to gather information with the intent of harming someone else it is called plotting to kill, or conspiracy to kill. Not only is this against the intended law given by God, but it is against the man made laws in most country's. You are trying to assume that God's law is the same as mans. God gave laws that were intended to judge the heart of the persons involved. The condition of your heart is what determines your actions. The heart of a person who commit malicious murder is not the same as a person who kills to defend his life from the same person. The heart of a person who lies to gain is not the same as the heart of a person who lies to protect as he is commanded to value life.
    I'm not sure why I need to study up. I merely gave a date it could have happened in, I wasn't claiming that was the date antisemitism against Jews started. And I wasn't trying to be tricky by not saying something about knowing the Jew would die. I thought that would be obvious and didn't need to be stated. Is this hair splitting really necessary?

    My point was simply that many laws are not moral. In this case, it would be illegal to harbor a jew or lie to say the SS but it would be ethical responsible to break such a law. You said before that as long as it doesn't break God's law then it is moral. I agree many laws are based on morality but disagree that we are morally obliged to follow all laws just because they aren't directly contradicted by the so called word of God.

    Baby J seems to be on the same page with me here. You responded with what seems to be your interpretation of "Thou shall not kill". Where does God's word clarify this commandment for all the times it is okay to kill, or lie for that matter? I'm talking about verses in the Bible.

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