Could Jesus have been an alien?

[BABY J]

But do you think that these men would have died for something they new was fake? I mean, if you had hoaxed a "resurrection" would you have died for it, when they were given all sorts of opportunity to dismiss their claims? That tells me that something very real was going on for them and that very real thing was not sparked by Christs life or death, but it was sparked by his resurrection. Even at his death we see that Christ was alone. Peter had denied him and his followers were scattered.

Nope.

But men DEFINITELY die for something that they THINK is real. Do I have to mention the MANY events (Waco, Jones?) where this is so? I know that you don't need the examples.

[sport_122]

Nope.

But men DEFINITELY die for something that they THINK is real. Do I have to mention the MANY events (Waco, Jones?) where this is so? I know that you don't need the examples.

Thanks for writing this Baby J. This is exactly my point. The men that lived with Christ and followed him and the people that followed them during his life and after his resurrection were hunted down and many were killed for NOT renouncing their faith in him. They heard his claims and they heard him say what he would do. It was after he did it that they were ready to die. Because when Christ died these followers where nowhere to be found.

so the idea of a hoaxed resurrection is crazy to me. they were willing to die because they fully believed that Christ had risen because they saw him and spent time with him after he rose. their faith was more substantiated than anyone elses in that they witnessed it all.

Even in Peter, as he denied Christ while Christ was being beaten and hung up and at the point of the resurrection Peter did not doubt again, to the very point of being crucified himself. The rest of the disciples scattered when Christ was captured out of fear, until the moment of his resurrection, then they were made bold in their faith to the point of where they would reunite and put their lives on the line.

I say this to say that these men were NOT crazy, they experienced something that told them that ALL that they had seen and ALL that they had heard was validated, NOT in Christs life or death. Even though he performed many miracles, that was not what did it, (because even Judas saw the miracles) It was the resurrection. It was that nobody needed to come and resurrect Christ. He rose on his own just as he said he would. At the moment of experiencing Christ again, ALL of their doubts were removed and their faith was made complete.

The same as with Paul. He knew of the miracles he heard of Christ, but it was only after he experienced the living Christ on the road to Damascus that he immediately became just like the rest. and I mind you that before he was like them, he was trying to kill them.

They most certainly believed (thought) with good reason that Christ was the Messiah, and that He did indeed raise up from the grave. And this was not 100 years or 2000 years later. This is just about or a little over three days later. At the moment, not fizzled and distorted with time.

Nobody was converted after David Curesh, or the Jimmy Jones or Heavens Gate. Because there was NO validation of the claims that these men made. Their unfounded and destructive programs and systems died with them. The few of the followers that they remain have renounced them as heritics, as liars, and evil. This was NOT the case with the historical Christ.

[trini_gsr]

a lot happened in this thread since I checked it last

in sport's defense i'll say this. pretty much all sciences, belief systems, etc usually start out with a given set of assumptions. Once these assumptions are accepted, then you can work out proving theories within that framework. for example, in euclidean geometry you start out with the assumptions (aka definitions) of the idea of a point, a line, and space. from these 3 simple assumptions, all of geometry is built. and obviously it is useful however if you don't accept those 3 assumptions as unprovable facts...it all comes crashing down.

Just like scientists believe in the Big Bang (not knowing where the original matter came from) and build forward from there, personally speaking, I assume that God is rational and is responsible for the creation of the universe. And I build my worldview from here using logic (because my original assumption implies that God gave us logic to determine the nature of our universe).

That's just me, and I *think* sport122 is the same. Now this approach allows my worldview to change and grow as I gain new info, which is the downfall of most "religions", and where science has them beat - they are too static. I see science and spirituality as two sides to the same coin. Something I always tell ppl is "where science ends, spirituality begins". It's ultimately describing the same continuum of reality. And as we learn more things about our universe, it obviously has to be able to grow and change with it.

Where that puts the Bible, Jesus, etc? Is a different story. I'll say for now that I don't accept the Bible as a 100% accurate history book. That isn't its purpose. As far as Jesus being an alien? As far as I'm concerned you could consider GOD to be an alien too so it isn't far-fetched. He (or I should say IT) definitely was extraterrestrial, which is the definition of an alien anyhow...

Nice thread though, it's already given me some things to ponder...