Could Jesus have been an alien?

[d993s]

You're fucking hilarious.
Again, you have elaborated on your personal BELIEFS, none which show fact, proof, evidence...WOW

[sport_122]

You're fucking hilarious.
Again, you have elaborated on your personal BELIEFS, none which show fact, proof, evidence...WOW

My personal beliefs based on evidence. If you believe in anything related to science it is based off of evidence. You believe your car will start in the morning, thats why you will not call a friend and ask for a ride to work. And yes, I elaborated, but as you can see in my last post, proof doesn't exist for those who are looking to dismiss it, it can't. Even before you ask for proof, your intent is to dismiss whatever comes out, to find a way to make the argument NOT work for your POV. So why do you ask for proof? Do you believe proof exists? If you don't why ask for it or harp on it when it is presented. I gave reason for my beliefs. Thats all I need to do. You have no real response to the reasons. All that you have is YOUR personal bias to argue because you have not studied or read of looked at the authors that I have read. I have read books by atheists, non-theists, and theists alike, and I do not agree with All of any of them, yet I have enough information to make a reasonable statement of my faith. You have nothing, but attacks on my beliefs as if you know me and know what I have been through or my experience with and before I came to faith.

The reason you will NOT be satisfied with evidence or reason to believe right now is that in your heart you don't want it. You can argue against just about anything that you want (and almost everything).

[d993s]

My personal beliefs based on evidence. If you believe in anything related to science it is based off of evidence. You believe your car will start in the morning, thats why you will not call a friend and ask for a ride to work. And yes, I elaborated, but as you can see in my last post, proof doesn't exist for those who are looking to dismiss it, it can't. Even before you ask for proof, your intent is to dismiss whatever comes out, to find a way to make the argument NOT work for your POV. So why do you ask for proof? Do you believe proof exists? If you don't why ask for it or harp on it when it is presented. I gave reason for my beliefs. Thats all I need to do. You have no real response to the reasons. All that you have is YOUR personal bias to argue because you have not studied or read of looked at the authors that I have read. I have read books by atheists, non-theists, and theists alike, and I do not agree with All of any of them, yet I have enough information to make a reasonable statement of my faith. You have nothing, but attacks on my beliefs as if you know me and know what I have been through or my experience with and before I came to faith.

The reason you will NOT be satisfied with evidence or reason to believe right now is that in your heart you don't want it. You can argue against just about anything that you want (and almost everything).

Whoa there buddy, I just asked for evidence.....which you still haven't provided, since I don't believe there to be any.
No fiction please.
I mean focken aye, look at L.R. Hubbard, he wrote fiction....apparently he got the attention of many interested people.....who became followers.....who started scientology. Now how fucking stupid is that?????

[sport_122]

Whoa there buddy, I just asked for evidence.....which you still haven't provided, since I don't believe there to be any.
No fiction please.
I mean focken aye, look at L.R. Hubbard, he wrote fiction....apparently he got the attention of many interested people.....who became followers.....who started scientology. Now how fucking stupid is that?????

you need to re-read my posts. I have posted my evidence. Or how about you tell me what constitutes evidence for you?

I have given my reasons. You just haven't taken the time to read them obviously.

BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Come on now, admit it. Gotta have faith.....and you will believe...associate everything positive as a blessing from god, and everything negative as a curse or result of not worshipping god.

This guy has a pretty strong faith: http://news.aol.com/article/father-...g-help%2F496034

I am not sure you are even reasonably enough to be trying to have this type of conversation. If you have never done any research or reading on this (youtube doesn't count) then please go try to get a grip on it before you post.

Your statements are a poor representation of what I believe. And its a very immature and undeveloped view of my faith in God. It just shows that you only THINK you know something about my beliefs and my experiences. But you are so far off that its rather sad.

tell me when I have said that it doesn't take faith. You assume that all faith/belief is the same. I am telling you that faith in God does not and should not be blind and for me it is not. If you want to know some of my reasons you need to read previous posts as I have stated them and I wont repeat because you are lazy. If you want to ask specifics about what I believe I will tell you what and why.

but simply put, without the existence of a transcendent mind there is nothing universal to creation. There is no law, there is no ground for morals, there is not a reason to believe in anything scientific, no reason to believe in logic, or rational, and there is no reason to question our universe because there would be no universal pattern to question. The very nature of our universal laws of physics tells us that they existed before the universe did. If something existed before existence then what would you call it? There had to be reasoning, law, and I believe it also included morality. I could elaborate much more on this, but you haven't taken the time to investigate anything I have said thus far so I am really considering it a waste of time. And as I said before, if you are only out to try to say that there is nothing to faith or that all faith is blind then you can go run with that thought because you've made your point, its wrong. Its understood, but its wrong.

Everyone has faith in something...period. Whether your faith (as demonstrated by your asking for proof) is in what you use your immediate senses to gain understanding of, or whether its through scholarly research or just plain ignorance, everyone demonstrates faith in their lives. Hell, even Richard Dawkins one of the most well known atheists in the world and a evolutionary biologists says that somehow mankind is wired to believe. he doesn't understand it, but there is no denying it. Yet you try to make it seem as though the faith demonstrated by people who believe in a transcendent God is not as valid as any other faith, but your reasoning is only based on the senses. You dont seem to grasp the fact that NOT ALL THINGS ARE DEMONSTRATED BY PLACING THEM IN YOUR HAND.

[d993s]

you need to re-read my posts. I have posted my evidence. Or how about you tell me what constitutes evidence for you?

I have given my reasons. You just haven't taken the time to read them obviously.



I am not sure you are even reasonably enough to be trying to have this type of conversation. If you have never done any research or reading on this (youtube doesn't count) then please go try to get a grip on it before you post.

Your statements are a poor representation of what I believe. And its a very immature and undeveloped view of my faith in God. It just shows that you only THINK you know something about my beliefs and my experiences. But you are so far off that its rather sad.

tell me when I have said that it doesn't take faith. You assume that all faith/belief is the same. I am telling you that faith in God does not and should not be blind and for me it is not. If you want to know some of my reasons you need to read previous posts as I have stated them and I wont repeat because you are lazy. If you want to ask specifics about what I believe I will tell you what and why.

but simply put, without the existence of a transcendent mind there is nothing universal to creation. There is no law, there is no ground for morals, there is not a reason to believe in anything scientific, no reason to believe in logic, or rational, and there is no reason to question our universe because there would be no universal pattern to question. The very nature of our universal laws of physics tells us that they existed before the universe did. If something existed before existence then what would you call it? There had to be reasoning, law, and I believe it also included morality. I could elaborate much more on this, but you haven't taken the time to investigate anything I have said thus far so I am really considering it a waste of time. And as I said before, if you are only out to try to say that there is nothing to faith or that all faith is blind then you can go run with that thought because you've made your point, its wrong. Its understood, but its wrong.

Everyone has faith in something...period. Whether your faith (as demonstrated by your asking for proof) is in what you use your immediate senses to gain understanding of, or whether its through scholarly research or just plain ignorance, everyone demonstrates faith in their lives. Hell, even Richard Dawkins one of the most well known atheists in the world and a evolutionary biologists says that somehow mankind is wired to believe. he doesn't understand it, but there is no denying it. Yet you try to make it seem as though the faith demonstrated by people who believe in a transcendent God is not as valid as any other faith, but your reasoning is only based on the senses. You dont seem to grasp the fact that NOT ALL THINGS ARE DEMONSTRATED BY PLACING THEM IN YOUR HAND.

Your posts are as long as they are meaningless.

In short, your faith in imaginary beings constitutes absolute ignorance.
Let me know where it gets you.

[sport_122]

Your posts are as long as they are meaningless.

In short, your faith in imaginary beings constitutes absolute ignorance.
Let me know where it gets you.

like I said man up!

Answer the questions or NOBODY should respect a single thing that comes off of your keyboard on this topic again, because YOU have NO FOUNDATION FOR YOUR NON BELIEF. You post a bunch of childish nonsense but you can't step up to the plate and show that your own way of thinking works with your anit-God worldview.

Typically I can respect people who are different in opinion, but you just seem to be in the wrong place trying to discuss something that you know absolutely nothing about. Stop making yourself seem ignorant by posting childish pictures, and making 5 year old comments, put up something that makes sense or leave. You have not presented a single logical rebuttal to anything. I don't even have to agree with you, I just want to know that you can actually think...but I guess I will give up on that. I guess I just lost faith in you as a person worth discussing anything with.

Good luck, because you won't be able to dodge this topic forever. Sorry, thats just a fact, it will come up again in your life and i hope you can formulate mature sentences based on whatever it is you have faith in as truth.

[d993s]

like I said man up!

Answer the questions or NOBODY should respect a single thing that comes off of your keyboard on this topic again, because YOU have NO FOUNDATION FOR YOUR NON BELIEF. You post a bunch of childish nonsense but you can't step up to the plate and show that your own way of thinking works with your anit-God worldview.

Typically I can respect people who are different in opinion, but you just seem to be in the wrong place trying to discuss something that you know absolutely nothing about. Stop making yourself seem ignorant by posting childish pictures, and making 5 year old comments, put up something that makes sense or leave. You have not presented a single logical rebuttal to anything. I don't even have to agree with you, I just want to know that you can actually think...but I guess I will give up on that. I guess I just lost faith in you as a person worth discussing anything with.

Good luck, because you won't be able to dodge this topic forever. Sorry, thats just a fact, it will come up again in your life and i hope you can formulate mature sentences based on whatever it is you have faith in as truth.

LMFAO!!! MAN UP!!!!???? (sorry, was tired and fell asleep early this morning)
Anyway, your evidence......I see it now....it's all in your head, so I guess that's enough!