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    also they say people scoring 98+% on their shooting usually shoot about 70% once they are in a real life scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnDisLaOsBoY
    also they say people scoring 98+% on their shooting usually shoot about 70% once they are in a real life scenario.

    sounds about right. i have heard 25% of accuracy and skill goes out the window in adriniline dump. I have a feeling these are VERY conservative figures for the vast majority of us.

    i scored a 99.3% on the ga police qual, i wouldn't be surprised if that just plummeted if i had TrueGiant chasing me around yelling like a crazy flaming homosexual.

    Thats why i have been taught to train accurate, cause you fist to hand sized group during training will open up to hand size minimum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny
    sounds about right. i have heard 25% of accuracy and skill goes out the window in adriniline dump. I have a feeling these are VERY conservative figures for the vast majority of us.

    i scored a 99.3% on the ga police qual, i wouldn't be surprised if that just plummeted if i had TrueGiant chasing me around yelling like a crazy flaming homosexual.

    Thats why i have been taught to train accurate, cause you fist to hand sized group during training will open up to hand size minimum.

    danny i would love to session with you. I still think i stink but i will put in more time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnDisLaOsBoY
    danny i would love to session with you.

    that suites you both very well.. haahaa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny
    sounds about right. i have heard 25% of accuracy and skill goes out the window in adriniline dump. I have a feeling these are VERY conservative figures for the vast majority of us.

    i scored a 99.3% on the ga police qual, i wouldn't be surprised if that just plummeted if i had TrueGiant chasing me around yelling like a crazy flaming homosexual.

    Thats why i have been taught to train accurate, cause you fist to hand sized group during training will open up to hand size minimum.

    I can honestly say that some of the best training comes from some 6'5" monster running you around and screaming at you.

    I can sit at a range and cream 300m targets with open sights on an m4 all day. You turn that into a buddy team live fire scenario where your wearing 60 lbs of gear and running/bounding between iterations and I can say that on some days I cannot hit shit. There are alot of impractical things that hollywood has convinced us of. I can promise you all these dudes on tv that are running with automatic weapons and hosing down bad guys is bullshit. You really must practice a crawl, walk, walk faster method. I will be the first to tell you I am not a master level pistol marksman. I have a hard time everytime I try and qual master hitting my groups just right. Alot of people tell me its because everytime I go I try and do it with my 4" 1911's because I have sold all my 5" guns. Sight radius/focal length etc.. blah blah blah.. I can honestly say that I still after probably close to 40k rounds of .45 have troubles. Any person who is honest and shoots for either recreation or sport that can admit there flaws is one step above the guy who thinks he is perfect.

    Each person/trainer/teacher/whatever has there own drills. Some work some dont. The person that can adapt a drill to help someone who is having problems is a good teacher. I took a class with an old gentlemen in texas (retired CAG guy) who was prlly the best instructor I have ever met. He ran me through some drills that I thought were pointless and I was wasting ammo until I realized just what he was doing.

    Enough of my ranting. Weapons are tools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truegiant
    I can honestly say that some of the best training comes from some 6'5" monster running you around and screaming at you.

    I can sit at a range and cream 300m targets with open sights on an m4 all day. You turn that into a buddy team live fire scenario where your wearing 60 lbs of gear and running/bounding between iterations and I can say that on some days I cannot hit shit. There are alot of impractical things that hollywood has convinced us of. I can promise you all these dudes on tv that are running with automatic weapons and hosing down bad guys is bullshit. You really must practice a crawl, walk, walk faster method. I will be the first to tell you I am not a master level pistol marksman. I have a hard time everytime I try and qual master hitting my groups just right. Alot of people tell me its because everytime I go I try and do it with my 4" 1911's because I have sold all my 5" guns. Sight radius/focal length etc.. blah blah blah.. I can honestly say that I still after probably close to 40k rounds of .45 have troubles. Any person who is honest and shoots for either recreation or sport that can admit there flaws is one step above the guy who thinks he is perfect.

    Each person/trainer/teacher/whatever has there own drills. Some work some dont. The person that can adapt a drill to help someone who is having problems is a good teacher. I took a class with an old gentlemen in texas (retired CAG guy) who was prlly the best instructor I have ever met. He ran me through some drills that I thought were pointless and I was wasting ammo until I realized just what he was doing.

    Enough of my ranting. Weapons are tools.
    an example of that (at a basic level). I have done drills where you face down range tool holstered. have a person stand about 20ft from you, off to your right of left. When you see them start running at you in your peripheral vision, you clear leather and fire as many shots as possible into the target. The guy running then hits/slaps/bumps you as he runs by. Although not a lot of stress, it does add a touch of pressure and realism.

    good instructors are hard to come by and are very expensive. and i agree, its adapting the drill to counter you weaknesses is the trick. allthough at a basic level i tend to think any drill is better than no drill.

    and yes, admitting you flaws is first and formost. I still kick myself all the time for jerking the shit out of the trigger. You know your starting to learn and evolve when you start catching mistakes BEFORE you make them. Trigger press for example, you can feel yourself press it incorrectly, you then let off and start over and it all happens in a fraction of a second.
    "The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."

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