God, Science, and rum.

[Ocelot]

i'll keep it short (quote wise too)

First off, very very entertaining thread. A fun read and kinda make me wish I saw the rum induced trance that produced this.

thanks, it was a fun night haha

Would you not expect for something to be catalyzed that said catalyst must be acting with intention?

not in every instance, there are certain things that happen at random, however, if you were to bring up the arguement of, "well where did all the atoms and molecules come from then?" I would tell you i honestly do not know, but that some day we might figure it out. perhaps it has something to do with quantum physics? creating something from nothing.

I like the reference to a Mobius strip, but that is a little of a misuse of the evidence as the religious characteristics of God are demonstrated.

yes, certain sects believe there will be an end of time. but who is to say that is not another bastardization of the original texts created by man through mistake, or even through a purposeful deception in order to secure a stronger following? and in a Mobius strip yes, things end, everything ends. but it all starts over again. I donn't think you were looking at the strip as if it were representing time itself. if you make one out of paper and draw a line down part of it, as you trace the strip the line begins and ends, but eventually after traversing the entire strip you come across the line again.

if God really does have a beginning and end then it would not be a catalyst, but more of a movie director!

The human mind has never been simple.

yes certain things from past cultures are unexplainable. it was either aztec or mayan who made very large patterns in hte earth that could only be seen clearly from the sky, which at the time we had no means of flight to see, and to create something as such is amazing. the scale is enormous. why did they? how did they? who knows, but no one ever said htey were dumb

Also, in the monotheistic faiths. We don't see God as a force or idea. They describe God as a talking, audible, sometimes physical, but definitely not a potential figment of an immagination

yes that is how your faiths work, but this was about how I felt on the matter. in no way are you wrong for feeling the way you do about your religion. it would not be possible for me to convince you otherwise. I guess I shared what i did for the sole purpose of making people think about other possibilities and how it compliments their current beliefs.

Just that somehow we have something in common with him. It may not be physical at all. it could be in spirit or in conscience. I am not sure if lifting rocks has anything to with it.

if it were the spirit and conscience that we were similar by then would we all be considered Demi-Gods? as far as we know, humans are the only ones with conscience.

I mostly agree with your statements about science and religion. I hate that more christian believers feel the need to ignore our God given ability to look around our world and learn about it.

it is sad how the most pious and righteous tend to shun science and technology. I feel they might learn much more detail about what went down to make things what they are rather than just say God made everything. Japanese robots made my car and t.v. and Japanese humans made those robots. and their mothers and fathers made all of them, not a God.

please elaborate.

I was just saying that I believe what i believe, and am always open to discuss other possibilities through the eyes of another.

vampires, werewolves, demons, ghosts?
not dracula, not the wolfman, yes exorsist, and yes casper.

hmm?