Religion: Christianity in the Spotlight...

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because the people who say they don't care and don't believe in anything really do care and really do believe in something.

religion christian faith is so controversial because:
1. it challenges peoples ability to be in control. Pride makes us NOT want to admit that we are NOT in control of ourselves and our future. Even within numerous religions you see sects forming based on fundamental beliefs on "who is in control, who gets the credit, why, and what happens next". People do not want to be humbled. We want to be in control of our lives. And in America this is a much stronger principle to life because the very foundation of our nation is built on the individual and his ability to control his own destiny.

2. it makes people feel accountable. Even in this thread (and numerous others) the people who hate religion or Christianity specifically, make comments about being good. They are showing that there is something about the teachings or the principles of organized religion that is convicting to people to the point of where the justification process becomes an aggression toward the place where that conviction/or judgment comes from. Much like a person convicted of a crime lashes out at the jury or the judge in anger, but IF this is true, plausible deniability goes away because of those damn christians.

3. they really do believe in something. Often times its the argument against the weak minded person of faith. What is really happening is the people who are starting these threads are doing the very thing that they accuse people of faith of doing. They are entering into a dialogue where they are saying "your way is wrong. It is not good enough. we don't care, yet we are unable to hold our tongue...and so on" however the reality is that a person who doesn't care and doesn't believe in any of this would have no need to legitimize their stance through justification or attack of the ones who have the opposing view. A simple, I dont believe that would suffice. They could remain silent and be find with it, because they really didn't care how the crazy weak minded christian ran their life as long as they were good people.


and these are also reason that people want to fight the idea that there is a God. Because it upsets the ability to be "free" to do what we want.

I am still waiting to hear a really good argument for how all these principles of humanity don't show us that there is more to us than 70 years walking around on a ball of water and dirt that floats in a vacuum.

1) Christianity implies that we are not in control of our destiny, but the fact is we are. We have free will, and shape our destiny with every choice we make.

2) that makes no sense. We are all accountable for our actions no matter what one believe in. GOD did not make you fat. GOD did not make you kill that person. Again, we have free will.

3) everyone believes SOMETHING. Whether that something is to not acknowledge god or religion or not, we all have a certain faith. Not all religious ppl are weak minded, just the majority. Much like how the majority population of the world is ignorant and dumb. The average person is very stupid, and is unable to think for themselves.

We are free. Whether you bleive in god or not, you must believe this lol. I mean even the bible says we have free will....sport...come on....you can't believe the stuff you say

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We are free. Whether you bleive in god or not, you must believe this lol. I mean even the bible says we have free will....sport...come on....you can't believe the stuff you say

I understand what you are getting at, but the topic of free will is a topic that is NOT universally agreed upon by christians based on the bible. Even the very word "free" has an extensive definition. I think I have told you my perspective on free will in a previous thread. but in brief: I don't believe limited options denotes free will.

So now I get all Matrixy. A persons experience is limited. The people you are around, the city or neighborhood you live in and all those things that shape who you are, limit you to NOT be free to do what ever whenever you want. You can only do those things in which you are exposed to and predisposed to as a part of your character. I believe the discussion on free will is about choices and knowledge and not about physical action.

The psychological control that is used on child soldiers in africa is along the same line. You pump an individual up with an illusion of power and then you confine their abilities to your guidelines. that individual is not free. There will is limited to the knowledge that you have given them. People have known about brainwashing and subliminal messaging for years and this is another example.

Your views on God and mine are products of these things. Which is why there are so many people who will die for faith, and there are so many people who laugh at them for doing so. as much as you would like to think its all about the individual, its not. Social sciences tell you that, psychologists tell you that and if your choices are a product of something other than you then how do you suppose it is free will?

I don't think its as simple as people want to try to make it. And if you believe that people are free to do what they want, then the question arises again, why do you continue to come to this thread to bash people for being "free"? Because somewhere in your mind you either don't want them to be or you think they are not because if it was okay with you there would be nothing to say.

BTW...maybe we should discuss this in a different thread so that this one stays on topic unless you guys feel this is on topic for this thread.