I stated that, as I am completely aware of the Facts. Like i said there are many others, but show me where he didnt?Originally Posted by Paul
the key word was "claims" he converted... this is a nice way for Christians to get the last word of a dying man
don't drink the juice!
well considering no one is alive that was then how can anyone have proof of such? i guess you just have to have "faith"
men w/ conviction don't change their belief system even in the face of death furthermore he was intelligent enough to understand that blasphemy is unforgivable so he could never be saved.
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^^ Man --- are you from some planet where they have like "common sense" or something? Amazing.
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the key word was "claims" he converted... this is a nice way for Christians to get the last word of a dying man
don't drink the juice!
i was just meaning that he didn't convert. it was a fluke of typical speech lol.
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it doesnt matter what anyone believes because no one will never know for sure. so if someone tries to tell you a certain number tell them to fuck off cuz they dont know what there talking about.
so basically saying that if they find any life on any other planet will totally make sense, and apparently be able to be wrung out of some scripture. The bible was written by people hundreds of years past the original events. The events themselves were carried on by stories. THE BIBLE IS NOT TRUTH!!! It was never intended to be. It was supposed to be a book of stories to get people to embrace morals. Religion and most of its followers are freaking retarded.
Truth. And who cares about Darwin? Why don't we let a real genius handle this...
Albert Einstein
"Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres."
"In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views."
"We know nothing about [God, the world] at all. All our knowledge is but the knowledge of schoolchildren. Possibly we shall know a little more than we do now. but the real nature of things, that we shall never know, never."
"I see a pattern, but my imagination cannot picture the maker of that pattern. I see a clock, but I cannot envision the clockmaker. The human mind is unable to conceive of the four dimensions, so how can it conceive of a God, before whom a thousand years and a thousand dimensions are as one?"
"What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos."
You idiots, once again on both sides of the argument, are so sure of your views (read: CLOSED-minded) yet one of the greatest mind of all time disagrees with both sides...
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Besides all of the google searches...
There is no god. Took me 19 years to figure it out, after being fed a whole bunch of bull shit. Show me a god, and I will bow down to you. Show me what he can do for me...
"God" is just there to provide you comfort, something for you to look forward to, and be given hope. God cant help you.. And he never will. Why would he help you?
Your belief is illogical, and you fail if you believe in any higher being.
Its funny, if "God" loves us and wants to look out for us, why does he make us all different in every aspect and expect us to shape outselves for him to get somewhere we do not know exists. Why do we have to change ourselves to make us good for him?
Gods/Jesus/Whothefuckcares... Does not exist... We just have to wait to see how long it will take most ignorant believers to understand the troof. Night.
Oh man, a whole 19 years... wow with all that life experience how could anyone doubt you. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for a press conference.
The debate is over.
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"During the youthful period of mankind's spiritual evolution, human fantasy created gods in man's own image who, by the operations of their will were supposed to determine, or at any rate influence, the phenomenal world."
- Albert Einstein, quoted in: 2000 Years of Disbelief, James Haught
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2
"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930
(Note that several of us were lambasted for just the position voiced above earlier in this thread.)
"I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God. "
- Albert Einstein, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman
"Nobody, certainly, will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent, just, and omnibeneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history. ..."
- Albert Einstein, Science and Religion (1941)
put that on your plate
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Religious people will always disregard the facts. This is because once they believe the facts (they already do just don't want to admit) then majority of crap they believe in is BS. This is where the term "faith" comes in. You have to have faith. You basically have to go against all logic and facts and substitute fairy tails. They might as well believe in the tooth fairy because it makes the same amount of sense. It is truly sad. It is too bad that when that time comes to move on, they will never know they were wrong and wasted their life believing.
Let me ask you a question. How exactly would I be wasting my life. Maybe an hour every Sunday, plus a few hours here and there volunteering to help the less fortunate. Which is nice for people to do anyway. Plus a few hours here or there reading up on the bible, or trying to spread the word.
Lets give 2 examples
Me - Spent parts of my days going to church or helping people out. When i Die 2 things will happen. Either I (and other Christians) are right and there is a God. We go to heaven and live a happy eternal life. As it has been promised to us. Or there is no God as you believe. Nothing happens when I die, but at least I spent my life in Good spirits and helping people.
You - Doing whatever you do, same as me but without the church and maybe without the volunteering. (maybe you do, maybe you don't, people don't have to be a Christian to help people) When you die, if your wrong you will spend eternity in Hell, being tortured. Or there is no God and nothing happens when you die. How much more out of life did you get than me.
I still spent my days happy, pleased with myself and with God or without as you see it. Maybe you were happy too. So if there is a God we will have completely different endings. If there is not, we will end up the same. I haven't wasted anything.
I could see how someone could believe that "Religion" was made up by men to keep people in line. I don't agree with it, but i can definitely see the other side. But how could you think there is no God. Look around. How could the ECO system, the animals, the food chain, the oceans and everything in this world and Universe be put together by chance. Its beyond impossible. Even the Albert Eisenstein said that even if he didn't believe in Religion, he believes there is a God.
God is also man made.
Only counting the 1 hour per Sunday, from the age of 18 to say 68, you have wasted over 108 days of your life believeing in something that does not exist and which you have NO proof that does.
BTW...that does not count the time you get dressed for church, the time you drive to church, the time you get undressed from church. So if you count that you have wated 2-3 times that amount.
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not trying to be a dick...
if you only doing shit to insure you place in imagination land then whatever works for you but don't think for a second that people who don't believe don't live for filling lives nor help society any less. religion has done far more damage to society than good; this needs no explaining and with the amount of revenue religions brings in each year i'm sure it is in the Trillions they could of cured cancer or hiv.
it always cracks me up when people say well "what if your wrong your going to hell"... what the fuck is hell to someone that doesn't believe in it?
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
Amen to that, lol.not trying to be a dick...
if you only doing shit to insure you place in imagination land then whatever works for you but don't think for a second that people who don't believe don't live for filling lives nor help society any less. religion has done far more damage to society than good; this needs no explaining and with the amount of revenue religions brings in each year i'm sure it is in the Trillions they could of cured cancer or hiv.
it always cracks me up when people say well "what if your wrong your going to hell"... what the fuck is hell to someone that doesn't believe in it?
Not to mention that the Jews are suppose to be the choosen people. Sounds like if I wanted a sure bet, I would be lining up behind them. Not the christians.
I love when people do or say bad things, then turn around and claim to be a christian. So they can do what they want, but as long as they believe, they will get into heaven. Get real, I am sure majority of religious people would be going to hell just like the rest of us that does not believe.
Suggesting you have to be a Christian to have a sense of moral absolute, or that morality comes from the Christian God, is patently ridiculous. It absolutely ignores the majority of the world's population that manages to live a more peaceful and harmonious life than our Christian forebears and I maintain that's a superior "morality."
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Ummm... I don't see any ideas different than what I posted.
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^^ I didn't quote you. I just added his quotes (AND CITED THEM) that I think are more understandable.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
I didn't read the whole thread so I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but carbon dating only works up to 50-60K years in the past. Any more than that and the carbon has already decayed.
To determine the millions of years thing, you must use radioisotope dating.
I got an A in both of my geology lab science classes at GSU so I'm kind of a big deal.
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The bible thumpers would want to hold onto the idea that the earth is only a couple thousand years old because if it were actually billions of years old, and humans only here a couple tens of thousands of years, then it makes the argument that god mad man in his own image a little less believable (that was not a run-on sentence!).
Atheism rocks.
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aight... so is it good to say that neither side is completely right... and neither side is completely wrong ?
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This shit keeps getting more interesting.. .LOL. Good find Paul.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...l-missing-link
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I believe that there is no missing link. WE have always been here. They found fossilized human footprints 18 inches away from fossilized dinosaur footprints. They also found man made objects in layers of the Earth that are MILLIONS of years old.
^^ No way. Dirt-Age-Analysis V 2.0 isn't perfected yet -- that dirt could be only 6000 years old.
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jigga-what? do you have proof of this or can you link to anything?I believe that there is no missing link. WE have always been here. They found fossilized human footprints 18 inches away from fossilized dinosaur footprints. They also found man made objects in layers of the Earth that are MILLIONS of years old.
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I think its ridiculous when people try to take the creation of the universe as a proving point in god.
I believe humans in general cant stand not being able to figure something out so they turn to God for everything.
We cant figure out how the Earth was made or the Universe so that HAS to mean that a God had to put it here. A god had to create humans and all other forms of life.
Why cant it be possible that the Earth is just that "lucky" planet that was formed in the right part of the solar system that would allow life to grow.
The truth is that we will NEVER know how Humans or the Universe came to be. Not in my lifetime anyway and probably not in my childs lifetime either.
It could be possible that Aliens created us and put us on this planet as an experiment. Why? Who knows, but its possible. Nobody can discredit that with something like "Aliens dont exist thats bullshit haha moron" because I could just counter with there is no real life proof that God exists why is that theory so much more believable than the alien experiment.
I believe people just need something to believe in, something to keep them going I guess you could say. Nothing better than an almighty God that created everything and watches us from the stars.
how about the things they have been finding that point to PREVIOUS nuclear wars before our time. Like ancient buildings found in india that have melted on one side and fused...and skeletons that have 50 times the normal radiation levels.
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I'd laugh in his face. Oh wait, i've done it before.
ALRIGHT. i didn't read page 3 just FYI.
anyway.
why does science have to take precedence over faith? God is ageless. He created the heavens AND THE EARTH. so basically there is no science that disproves God. anything you try to explain can still be interpreted as being put there by God. don't get me wrong... i'm no bible thumper and certainly haven't been to church in quite some time and really just don't have the faith. but that doesn't mean that i can't believe that there is someone (or being) that has put all this together. i don't understand why all the super christians want to try and discredit all the science that is coming out. while his human son is debatable, there is still no need to completely discredit a God.
and the earth is like 4.3 billion years old i think it was. they found the oldest pieces of rock from a crater. using a dating process on a certain type of rock. you can't fucking debate solid science.
very true i watched a show on tv a few weeks ago about earth good show might i add. very intertaining aswell i beleave in god i go to chruch once n a while but like Mr.Clean said science is fact not fiction. or how ever the fuck you spell it. lolALRIGHT. i didn't read page 3 just FYI.
anyway.
why does science have to take precedence over faith? God is ageless. He created the heavens AND THE EARTH. so basically there is no science that disproves God. anything you try to explain can still be interpreted as being put there by God. don't get me wrong... i'm no bible thumper and certainly haven't been to church in quite some time and really just don't have the faith
and the earth is like 4.3 billion years old i think it was. they found the oldest pieces of rock from a crater. using a dating process on a certain type of rock. you can't fucking debate solid science.
havn't you guys seen men in black? We're being played with in a marble by some alien.
maybe we are a second life program, i mean hell we did create our own second life program LOL, kinda like "the 13th floor" movie.
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"Unattainable secrets," "we will never know, never"... etc are statements that go against the scientific method and the aesthetic of science. The goal of science is to search for answers to every question. To simply dismiss something as an "unattainable secret" is a crock.
i don't now man, i just find it so hard to able to to say how old something is without really knowing. carbon dating can only give a general time frame. and honestly, i think some of that shit the media puts out, not all of it, is straight bullshit. i mean, entertainment sells. its a good way to get people to pick up the mag or whatever and get things going just so they will come back for more.
I dont know if its been said already cause im not reading all this but i have heard people say that in the bible what we think of as a calendar year is not what they believed in.
Like God didnt really make the earth and heavens in 7 days, to us it would have been millions of years.
I have heard that argument.
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the Bible creation story (it's actually 2 stories combined if you read carefully) actually borrows from other, older creation stories, and is meant to be taken allegorically. it's really a parable describing mankind's fall from "grace". I've also heard arguments that the Adam/Eve story is really not about a couple, but more about man finding the balance between his yin/yang masculine/feminine energy, etc.
anyways to stay on topic...i agree it's pretty stupid for anyone to think in this day and age that the earth is 6000 years old or evolution isn't real. i mean...honestly speaking...if you graduated from HS you should know better. remember when mainstream christianity swore that the earth was the center of the universe??? LOL
Sort of. To God there is no such thing as time. Think about it, we on Earth base time on 1 full rotation of the earth, then 1 year is a full rotation around the sun. Well God doesnt live on earth, so there is no such thing as time to him. Therefore its not like 1 day to God is 24 hours. To God there is no time, he has already seen the past, present and Future.
^^ Did he tell you that?
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
lol yeah it was told to him through a huge game of "secret message" ...you know that game you play in middle school where the message starts on one side of the room and ends up insanely different when it gets to the other
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HAHAH - thumpers are SOOO funny.
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