earth is 6000+ years old...?

[99hatch]

99hatch: You are right on what the bible says, but have you noticed the bible is re-written EVERY year for an estimated of the past 400 years+. In that 400 years do you think they would have been able to reconfigure on what the bible says to work with present day findings/discoveries?

This also points out my next theory... Christianity is probably one of the biggest scams ever. Ask and I shall explain.

Well Good points. Let me also say that Even though the book has been written over and over again it is the exact same. Do you know that when they found the dead sea scrolls in the late 40's (i believe) that they took them back and compared them to the current Bible. It was the exact same. approximately 2000 years apart and they message was the same. I believe this as divine intervention. I enjoy debating it and dont wish to strike down anyone Else's believes, but 2000 years of going through probably hundreds of peoples hands and rewritings and it was the same.

As for the other statement about Catholics with the other books of the Bible. Its tough to choose one denomination like Catholics and then apply it to Christianity across the board. There are many different beliefs and I denominations also came from Man, not God. he did not intend on there being 389239808023 different denominations. Just one religion Christianity. I do think man has gotten in the way of it over the years, but who is without sin. No one but Jesus.

[BABY J]

Well Good points. Let me also say that Even though the book has been written over and over again it is the exact same. Do you know that when they found the dead sea scrolls in the late 40's (i believe) that they took them back and compared them to the current Bible. It was the exact same. approximately 2000 years apart and they message was the same. I believe this as divine intervention. I enjoy debating it and dont wish to strike down anyone Else's believes, but 2000 years of going through probably hundreds of peoples hands and rewritings and it was the same.

As for the other statement about Catholics with the other books of the Bible. Its tough to choose one denomination like Catholics and then apply it to Christianity across the board. There are many different beliefs and I denominations also came from Man, not God. he did not intend on there being 389239808023 different denominations. Just one religion Christianity. I do think man has gotten in the way of it over the years, but who is without sin. No one but Jesus.

So 2k years of separation and the text has been unchanged --- that's sad, b/c that means that theer has been a LOT of inconsistencies from the very start. LOL

No wonder there are so many denominations. If THE WORD is THE WORD how can this be so? Hmmm...

[99hatch]

So 2k years of separation and the text has been unchanged --- that's sad, b/c that means that theer has been a LOT of inconsistencies from the very start. LOL

No wonder there are so many denominations. If THE WORD is THE WORD how can this be so? Hmmm...

Where are these "inconsistencies"? I dont see any. Like i said if you read it, that denominations are man created. The word is the word, but people may perceive it differently like anything else. How can there be people that believe so many different things in the world. Inconsistencies are in men, and yet the Bible is the word of God, thats why it is unchanged.

[SPOOLIN]

Where are these "inconsistencies"? I dont see any. Like i said if you read it, that denominations are man created. The word is the word, but people may perceive it differently like anything else. How can there be people that believe so many different things in the world. Inconsistencies are in men, and yet the Bible is the word of God, thats why it is unchanged.

You are telling me you are a scholar that has read all of the versions cover to cover?? There are people who devote their lives to religious scholar that have found the inconsistencies in all of the books of religion because they study and dissect them. The bible has changed from its first version i have no doubt in that. This is the problem with DEEP catholics and christians, they are very NAIVE about things outside of what their bible, pastor and priest tell them.

Is there never a day when you run out of stuff to talk about in church? lol, i've often wondered this.

[BABY J]

Where are these "inconsistencies"? I dont see any. Like i said if you read it, that denominations are man created. The word is the word, but people may perceive it differently like anything else. How can there be people that believe so many different things in the world. Inconsistencies are in men, and yet the Bible is the word of God, thats why it is unchanged.

I've said this before and will say it again...

And how do you feel about ex-Creationists and ministers who have realized that it's all a bunch of silly myths after clinging desperately to scripture for years? And trust me, I've been all through the "Evidence That Demands a Verdict Series" and other Josh McDowell writings, as well as wandering though a lot of Hal Lindsey's works. Plus scores of others.

They all fall apart when scrutinized at a truly intellectual level. They use a document to prove itself. You cannot do this - it is an inherently flawed method of proof. By applying the same type of logic anything becomes true because it proves itself.

If you want to believe something, that's fine, that's faith. But don't try to turn it into a scientific or historical study because it will fall apart quickly under the jaundiced gaze of rigirous academic scrutiny.

[99hatch]

I've said this before and will say it again...

And how do you feel about ex-Creationists and ministers who have realized that it's all a bunch of silly myths after clinging desperately to scripture for years? And trust me, I've been all through the "Evidence That Demands a Verdict Series" and other Josh McDowell writings, as well as wandering though a lot of Hal Lindsey's works. Plus scores of others.

They all fall apart when scrutinized at a truly intellectual level. They use a document to prove itself. You cannot do this - it is an inherently flawed method of proof. By applying the same type of logic anything becomes true because it proves itself.

If you want to believe something, that's fine, that's faith. But don't try to turn it into a scientific or historical study because it will fall apart quickly under the jaundiced gaze of rigirous academic scrutiny.

Well let me ask you what you believe? Are you a evolutionist? Where is your facts in that, if that is what you believe? Do you believe in Darwin's Theory, when there are claims that he became a Christian on his deathbed. Yes i am aware that this was not proven or disproved. But It goes both ways. There are several evolutionists that after years of trying to disprove the Bible could not and became Christians.

Thats fine if you want to read the scores of books and series out there. I applaud you for trying to find out information yourself. I enjoy reading and educating myself as well, but still there are no proven facts on either side, so those books are mere opinions, just as we are discussing here is opinions of what we believe.

What exactly about the Bible has "Fallen Apart" I am yet to hear anyone dissect the Bible and make it Fall Apart on an intellectual level. I am willing to listen to other ideas, and if you can give me proof that God does not exist i would be eager to hear it. But you simply cannot.