Satanism (modern religion? evil? wrong?)

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Paul, paul.. you are dealing with 2 different animals here. It is one thing to say that a lot of priests had molested children, which is NOT part of being a Christian or practicing Christianism. It is WRONG in the view of THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH and it is NOT something that CHRISTIANS do.

that is what i'm getting at... in your post you mentioned crimes against children, lieing, stealing... i am talking about LaVey satanism now, there is nothing in there that says that is what a satanist does (as a practice). Now is there satanist that lie, steal, or molest children? Yes, all people no matter the religion are capable of that. Furthermore it is against the Satanic Statements to hurt a child, so that is one part where i do not agree w/ everything you posted as truth.

You and holding on to the idea that Satanism is about self worship.

Call it what you want. However you want to disect it. SATANism is the worship of SATAN, or the direct refusal of all that the Christian church stands for. Go with either definition and the answer is clear. The worship of SATAN is indeed the worship of SATAN. Rebellion agains God and Christ is the worship of SATAN. You either worship GOD or SATAN. There is no "referee" or Middleman.

well in the sense of worship as bowing down praising/praying... that is not 100% accurate. You can be a satanist and not physically worship the devil. Now like i stated earlier, self worship is basically the opposite of what christianity b/c you are putting yourself over divine being; and i did quote LaVey on this idea.

On "The Satanic Bible", the "9 Satanic Statements" claim that "Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence". Represents materialism, instead of pipe dreams. Vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek. Satan represents man as just another animal, more often worse, the most vicious animal of all.

That is all true, but just b/c you indulge instead of abstain doesn't me you are worshiping satan. In that case every person who sin in the christian religion is worshiping satan.

... "Here and now is our day of joy", proclaims, "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, aye four-fold, a hundred fold!"... kindness to those who deserve it, but if you want to kill them, do it!, morally or physically, because the main doctrine is "do what you want".

ok break this down w/ an open mind... i know christians who would agress w/ these statements w/o knowing the source I am not christians/satanist and i agree 100%.

Take what i put in bold there are many statements just like this... it is not a pretty statement but it is the true and is reality. You/Jaime/Me/etc.. all do the same thing, so how bad is it if you are more than capable of doing the same thing?

Is that is not about adoring the Devil then I do not know what is.

I don't refute the fact that the rituals to speak of satan, but you have to remember this is a Self Worship religion, you can make it what you want it to be basically, i can quote LaVey if need be on this, b/c he and the church flat come out and state that "they do not look for followers, but leaders"... if he wanted to start a cult he would of. It is based on freely thinking can doing what you desire; if thats praising the devil, eating ice cream, grave robbing, dressing in womens clothing, etc... you take it as you will.

I have read the S. Bible atleast 2x, from a reality stand point many of the ideas are on par w/ reality even w/ christians i know, keep in mind i'm not talking about the rituals.

If you want to dress all in black, wave a sword over a naked woman alter, and invoke the devil... but you can just as easily do it behind a fancy suit, interpeting the bible w/ a 1800 number taking peoples money granting miracles

[ISAtlanta300]

that is what i'm getting at... in your post you mentioned crimes against children, lieing, stealing... i am talking about LaVey satanism now, there is nothing in there that says that is what a satanist does (as a practice). Now is there satanist that lie, steal, or molest children? Yes, all people no matter the religion are capable of that. Furthermore it is against the Satanic Statements to hurt a child, so that is one part where i do not agree w/ everything you posted as truth.

well in the sense of worship as bowing down praising/praying... that is not 100% accurate. You can be a satanist and not physically worship the devil. Now like i stated earlier, self worship is basically the opposite of what christianity b/c you are putting yourself over divine being; and i did quote LaVey on this idea.

That is all true, but just b/c you indulge instead of abstain doesn't me you are worshiping satan. In that case every person who sin in the christian religion is worshiping satan.

ok break this down w/ an open mind... i know christians who would agress w/ these statements w/o knowing the source I am not christians/satanist and i agree 100%.

Take what i put in bold there are many statements just like this... it is not a pretty statement but it is the true and is reality. You/Jaime/Me/etc.. all do the same thing, so how bad is it if you are more than capable of doing the same thing?



I don't refute the fact that the rituals to speak of satan, but you have to remember this is a Self Worship religion, you can make it what you want it to be basically, i can quote LaVey if need be on this, b/c he and the church flat come out and state that "they do not look for followers, but leaders"... if he wanted to start a cult he would of. It is based on freely thinking can doing what you desire; if thats praising the devil, eating ice cream, grave robbing, dressing in womens clothing, etc... you take it as you will.

I have read the S. Bible atleast 2x, from a reality stand point many of the ideas are on par w/ reality even w/ christians i know, keep in mind i'm not talking about the rituals.

If you want to dress all in black, wave a sword over a naked woman alter, and invoke the devil... but you can just as easily do it behind a fancy suit, interpeting the bible w/ a 1800 number taking peoples money granting miracles

All fine and Dandy. I still believe that he is an attention whore. He took an age old "practice" and tried to make it his OWN. It is like me re-writing the bible and claiming that I am Jesus Christ.

Satanism existed BEFORE Lavey. Rituals existed BEFORE the Satanic Bible which he wrote (or should i say, Plagiarized). Chants and Prayers were NOT invented by him. Invocation of the Devil was NOT his working.

To me he is just one person who took the whole thing mainstream. To try and be cool and be the "boogie-man". And to try and portray a different message behind his own propaganda.

If he did indeed take the phrase "Satanism" for his Church of "self worship" then he indeed took on the wrong name. He should have called it "Laveyism" or some shit like that. The Definition of Satanism is the worship of Satan. He just made up his "own" ideas behind the definition and try to sugarcoat it. But unless he chose to call it something else, it still is what it is. Sorry, Lavey... you do not have Dibs on the word. So by using it you basically know what it is and what it stands for.

I still do not get how it is about "Free worship" if the Devil and Satan are mentioned in his book.

That is like saying that you really believe in buddha while going to a catholic church with a Bible with "God" mentioned in it under your arms. Does not make sense. Why bother?

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All fine and Dandy. I still believe that he is an attention whore. He took an age old "practice" and tried to make it his OWN. It is like me re-writing the bible and claiming that I am Jesus Christ.

Satanism existed BEFORE Lavey. Rituals existed BEFORE the Satanic Bible which he wrote (or should i say, Plagiarized). Chants and Prayers were NOT invented by him. Invocation of the Devil was NOT his working.

To me he is just one person who took the whole thing mainstream. To try and be cool and be the "boogie-man". And to try and portray a different message behind his own propaganda.

If he did indeed take the phrase "Satanism" for his Church of "self worship" then he indeed took on the wrong name. He should have called it "Laveyism" or some shit like that. The Definition of Satanism is the worship of Satan. He just made up his "own" ideas behind the definition and try to sugarcoat it. But unless he chose to call it something else, it still is what it is. Sorry, Lavey... you do not have Dibs on the word. So by using it you basically know what it is and what it stands for.

I still do not get how it is about "Free worship" if the Devil and Satan are mentioned in his book.

That is like saying that you really believe in buddha while going to a catholic church with a Bible with "God" mentioned in it under your arms. Does not make sense. Why bother?

I don't think the basis behind it are Attn Whore syndrome; maybe i'm wrong. But that can easily be said about Jesus or Moses. Now are satanist attn whores? You bet your ass most probably are, b/c they try to have a chip on their shoulder like a skin head or kkk or religious cult leader. What people fear/disagree give light to your cause?

I do think it could of been named different, but i also see the idea behind how thinking freely and "do what thou wilt" would be a blasphemous idea hence "satanism". I mean take the EYE FOR AN EYE, that is a direct conflict w/ christianity, so if i asked you to imagine a religion that is the opposite of christianity you would say what Satanism, just b/c the mention of the devils doesn't mean praise has to be given. Shit your trying to give the devil too much credit a true satanist would be stronger than that; thats why self worship is better than worshiping the devil. Get my point?

There are similar beliefs where people believe in say Jesus, Allah, Jehova, Budda, all at the same time and they use them to fit what they need, i can't remember the name of this religion but it to me is very very similiar. You take what is needed to fit you beliefs.

[ISAtlanta300]

I don't think the basis behind it are Attn Whore syndrome; maybe i'm wrong. But that can easily be said about Jesus or Moses. Now are satanist attn whores? You bet your ass most probably are, b/c they try to have a chip on their shoulder like a skin head or kkk or religious cult leader. What people fear/disagree give light to your cause?

I don't mean Attn whore syndrome like goes on here at ImportAtlanta (LOL), but to a sense it is the last sentence you posted. They feed on intimidation. like "whooaaa don't mess with da pentagram brotha.. 666 fo sho !! yeah !! devil up yo azzz boyeeee" .

In seriousness now, Jesus or Moses do not feed on intimidation to prove a point, but through love and teachings. If Christ really wanted to "show off" he would have freed himself when he was crucified, and killed all his enemies. Satanist want to "prove" their powers (or their lack thereof) by making themself feel powerful by doing the most atrocious, shocking, cruel, antisocial etc. things possible. If you are feared you have power. And you can manipulate.

I do think it could of been named different, but i also see the idea behind how thinking freely and "do what thou wilt" would be a blasphemous idea hence "satanism". I mean take the EYE FOR AN EYE, that is a direct conflict w/ christianity, so if i asked you to imagine a religion that is the opposite of christianity you would say what Satanism, just b/c the mention of the devils doesn't mean praise has to be given. Shit your trying to give the devil too much credit a true satanist would be stronger than that; thats why self worship is better than worshiping the devil. Get my point?

I do get your point to an extent. But just because you believe in self worship does not make you a Satanist. Just because you believe in "a God" does not make you a Christian. There are a lot of free-radical people, even atheist who do not believe in ANYTHING, yet do what they want. That does not classify them as Satanists.

However, if you follow the Satanic Bible..... think about it: If it walks, quacks and talks like a duck... u get my drift? If you have the Satanic Bible, attend the Black mass, and cite Satanic Rituals then one must believe that there is SOMETHING ELSE going on other than "self worship".

By your definition, YOU yourself, Paul SHOULD call yourself a Satanist, because you believe in worshipping one's self, doing what you want, eye for an eye and that man are equal to animals.

There are similar beliefs where people believe in say Jesus, Allah, Jehova, Budda, all at the same time and they use them to fit what they need, i can't remember the name of this religion but it to me is very very similiar. You take what is needed to fit you beliefs.

Exaclty, and you have proven my point here. Since you don't remember the name of the religion is evidently CLEAR that they DO NOT call themselves CHRISTIANS !! That is EXACTLY the same situation that LAVEY is in. He used the term "satanism" for his cult wrongly, if indeed he does not worship the devil. Those people would have been using the term "Christianity" wrongly, if they indeed are polytheists.....

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By your definition, YOU yourself, Paul SHOULD call yourself a Satanist, because you believe in worshipping one's self, doing what you want, eye for an eye and that man are equal to animals.

by definition, you could say that, but i'm not one for labels... i guess you could say i am apart of Paulism and i worship myself. if you read the 9 statements ect you could see where tons of people fall into that, even christians (not smart christians). if we take it by my definition minus the rituals i would say more people than i can count would fall into this, but the stigma of the name w/ the rituals just kills it for me. i don't believe in god so how can i believe in satan? and the rituals for any religion reminds me of some nerdy kid playing D&D. if we were intended to be magicians we would be fighting for middle earth

Exaclty, and you have proven my point here. Since you don't remember the name of the religion is evidently CLEAR that they DO NOT call themselves CHRISTIANS !! That is EXACTLY the same situation that LAVEY is in. He used the term "satanism" for his cult wrongly, if indeed he does not worship the devil. Those people would have been using the term "Christianity" wrongly, if they indeed are polytheists.....

Ya they are not christians... there is a name for these people but i just escapes me...