Satanism (modern religion? evil? wrong?)

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You do all the time. What's, "where's your scientific proof?" then? What "sources" are there if something doesn't exists (according to you)? Your mind? Your ideas? Your whole basis for doubting the bible relies on one simple premise: Where's tangible proof?

Yes tangible proof, but making judgements on a religon has to be based on content/source. why is it wrong? is it b/c they worship satan? but do they worship satan? see that is my point, by your definition earlier you agree'd that Satanism is the worship of satan, i disagree, b/c modern day Satanism is not about worshiping satan.

So, I'll use the same logic you employ then: Why am I dumb for NOT wanting to be a Satanist IF after your extensive "research" YOU aren't one either? What's that make you then?

your not dumb for not wanting to be one, but dumb b/c you haven't backed up your answer on the topic. If i told you christians are evil w/o reading the bible what would you say?

Have you also read the book, "Hypocrisy, Plagiarism, and Lavey...by John Smulo"? Maybe you should.

I have. It's an essay about how Lavey blatantly plagiarised an almost century old work by an author that went by the alias of Ragnar Redbeard and called it the "Satanic bible". It shows example after example of 100% direct plariarism on Lavey's part and calling the work his. It also sources many total fallacies confirmed by Lavey's own DAUGHTER about what Lavey's claimed background is and isnt. Did you know that Lavey was actually born NOT Anton Levey but actually Howard Stanton Levey and he's part Jewish? His entire background was questioned from where he said he worked before to being a lion tamer in a circus and you know what the rebuttal to that was????? "Oh, that's just things jealous people say...." Sounds familiar.

whether or not you believe he is the head of modern satanism or he lied on is resume' is a whole other topic, i don't discredit the fact that the things he says are from other sources, the church of satan and lavey back up stating it was build on research.

i'll finish the rest when i get home...

[Jaimecbr900]

see that is my point, by your definition earlier you agree'd that Satanism is the worship of satan, i disagree, b/c modern day Satanism is not about worshiping satan.

Then why is the religion called SATANism if it's not about SATAN? Start there.

your not dumb for not wanting to be one, but dumb b/c you haven't backed up your answer on the topic. If i told you christians are evil w/o reading the bible what would you say?

I have backed it up, just not to your liking. I've gave you plenty of my "sources" yet you keep falling over backwards saying I haven't. I type very well and don't understand why you can't see it. How much more backup do you want? I told you already I have first hand knowledge of what Satanists believe, think, and their basic ideology. I have also read in several different places about Satanism. I know it has 4 books. I know that it has 19 rules or something to a language of the Devil. I know that it discusses their views on sex, magic, spells, rituals, human sacrifices, and even who God is to them. It even discusses their ideas of the afterlife or lack thereof.

I get what it says. Like I said, I've read enough pieces of it to form a pretty good picture of what it's about. I don't have to, nor want to, read every word to every sentence in that blasphemous book to understand what it's about. It is a direct refutation of the Bible. It even uses passages or ideas from the Bible in it's blasphemous banter. So if you think that I don't "know" anything about what Satan, Satanism, and their "bible" is all about.....you're sadly mistaken my friend. Sadly.

whether or not you believe he is the head of modern satanism or he lied on is resume' is a whole other topic, i don't discredit the fact that the things he says are from other sources, the church of satan and lavey back up stating it was build on research.

Actually in the essay from Mr. Smulo, it does prove by a big amount of documented evidence that not only did Lavey do those things, but when confronted by those accusations neither he nor the "church" try to refute the info. Again, they simply dismissed it by saying, "all that is said by jealous people" not "it's not true and here is why".

I brought it up not to debate that man's credits or faults, but to show how easily you defend something that was written by a man (which is one of your arguments against the Bible's validity), has no scientific proof (which was another of your arguments against the Bible), and has different variations of it (which again we can summize since he plagiarized from earlier works making him NOT the original but simply a different version at best, yet again another one of your contentions AGAINST the Bible).

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Then why is the religion called SATANism if it's not about SATAN? Start there.

well as i stated before self worship would be the opposite of what christianity is and also it also deals w/ what they believe satan stands for.

I have backed it up, just not to your liking. I've gave you plenty of my "sources" yet you keep falling over backwards saying I haven't. I type very well and don't understand why you can't see it. How much more backup do you want? I told you already I have first hand knowledge of what Satanists believe, think, and their basic ideology. I have also read in several different places about Satanism. I know it has 4 books. I know that it has 19 rules or something to a language of the Devil. I know that it discusses their views on sex, magic, spells, rituals, human sacrifices, and even who God is to them. It even discusses their ideas of the afterlife or lack thereof.

ok then why is it wrong, no BS answer like ITS COMMON SENSE, give me proof that you know what your talking about. Since you have first hand knowledge you should know about them, Right? Then why do you think they worship satan if i have already clearly proved you wrong?

I get what it says. Like I said, I've read enough pieces of it to form a pretty good picture of what it's about. I don't have to, nor want to, read every word to every sentence in that blasphemous book to understand what it's about. It is a direct refutation of the Bible. It even uses passages or ideas from the Bible in it's blasphemous banter. So if you think that I don't "know" anything about what Satan, Satanism, and their "bible" is all about.....you're sadly mistaken my friend. Sadly.

by your own admission you have not read it nor can you give an accurate account of what is in it. if you did this topic would be about the actual text and not your personal opinion of what you think it is about.

Actually in the essay from Mr. Smulo, it does prove by a big amount of documented evidence that not only did Lavey do those things, but when confronted by those accusations neither he nor the "church" try to refute the info. Again, they simply dismissed it by saying, "all that is said by jealous people" not "it's not true and here is why".

i do not know what you speak of so obviously i can't really comment, but if that was the statement you can take this many ways... you just as many christians would try to discredit a man who is your enemy people have agendas other than truth so take everything w/ a grain of salt.

i think the point your missing is you are trying to compare this as a religion to the bible discussions we have in here.... you can't do that. this is a religion knownly written by a man... its not like he said the devil spoke to him and gave him these ideas, which is basically what the bible is. you come off very close minded in this topic jaime; you should use this to strengthen your own faith so you can educate others.

[Jaimecbr900]

ok then why is it wrong, no BS answer like ITS COMMON SENSE, give me proof that you know what your talking about. Since you have first hand knowledge you should know about them, Right? Then why do you think they worship satan if i have already clearly proved you wrong?

You haven't proven anything at all except in your own mind. I have used everything from dictionaries to first hand accounts, yet that's not enough for you.

If the "bible" that I follow has the first 2 "books" out of 4 that are CALLED "the book of SATAN" and "the book of LUCIFER, then what the F**K are you worshiping then????? Helicopters or airplanes? Subjects such as "SATANIC sex, SATANIC rituals, SATANIC Magic, the invocation of SATAN, SATANIC sacrifices, and SATANIC age.........you're right....a book that has chapters and titles such as these which are in fact found in the SATANIC bible have NOTHING to do with SATAN or his worship...... :jerkit:

Are you living in a parallel world or something?

Every single one of those are direct examples of what the Satanic bible has. Are you gonna argue with that too now?

by your own admission you have not read it nor can you give an accurate account of what is in it. if you did this topic would be about the actual text and not your personal opinion of what you think it is about.

You are once again making assumptions and making them incorrectly.

I never said I didn't read ANY of it. I clearly said that I had read a great many excerpts from it, way enough to make an educated decision about it. I don't have to read every word and every comma to make that kind of decision. I don't proclaim nor want to be an expert on that, so in that case the Cliff notes are plenty to come to a decision. Could I read every word? Sure. Would it change my view on the subject? No. So why do it? It's like beating your head against that preverbial wall 50x's. If you beat it against that wall 5x's or 50x's, you still come to the same conclusion so why keep doing it? It doesn't make you any smarter to do so, then why do it????

It's called the Law of Diminishing Returns.

i think the point your missing is you are trying to compare this as a religion to the bible discussions we have in here.... you can't do that. this is a religion knownly written by a man... its not like he said the devil spoke to him and gave him these ideas, which is basically what the bible is. you come off very close minded in this topic jaime; you should use this to strengthen your own faith so you can educate others.

You are right, I am closed minded when it comes to this very subject.

Thank you for finally spelling my name correctly BTW.

You may have a point about "studying the enemy" to make me a better defender, but in all honesty I think that I can defend my point adequately enough to get my point across. After that its up to the receiver to make up their own mind to believe me or not.