Are all 50 states wrong?

[Jaimecbr900]

Or you could go with what Jefferson wrote:

I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State

Or, you know, the first amendment.

Do you people really want religion (which, by it's nature, is completely irrational) meddling in politics?

The separation of church and state has been debated since it's inception more than 200 years ago. The contention has always been the same, "what'd they mean when they wrote that". The left says one thing and the right says another. Personally, I've seen far more quotes from the authors of the Constitution itself where it is clear they were not trying to be so literal about it.

The "chuch" of England, where our founding fathers came from, controlled everything. Not only religion, but also taxes, laws, gov't, everything went thru the "church". This is one of the reasons people migrated to the "new world" in the first place, to find their own freedom. This is the basis of the rationale for them wanting a "separation" of church and state.

I don't have issue with keeping them apart. My personal issue is with all the freaking ultra liberals that have taken everything 15 steps further and are removing plaques, words from the pledge, subjects out of books, books, etc. all in the NAME OF separation of church and state. It's not that religion is being taught in a public school setting. It's that a WORD or a PICTURE offends some wussified liberal and they invoke the good ole church and state crap. THAT to me is another example of how political correctness is ruining this country by taking the backbone out of people.

You know what? There are far more offending words and subjects being taught as part of the public school system's curriculum than if the WORD G-O-D appears in the pledge of alligiance. I don't see what the big deal is. You don't want to SAY the word G-O-D in school, then have at it and don't utter it EVER. What's the big deal?

People need to grow up and get a backbone. All the ultra liberal wussified pansies now want everything THEIR way, THEY are smarter than everybody, THEY know what's good for EVERYbody. Kids learn far more dangerous things and much much worse things in public schools than the WORD G-O-D. Instead of spending so much time worrying about their child SAYING the word G-O-D at school, they need to worry about that child learning how to do drugs, have unprotected sex, and even get shot at that same school now-a-days. Get a life already.

[malfeas99]

The separation of church and state has been debated since it's inception more than 200 years ago. The contention has always been the same, "what'd they mean when they wrote that". The left says one thing and the right says another. Personally, I've seen far more quotes from the authors of the Constitution itself where it is clear they were not trying to be so literal about it.

The "chuch" of England, where our founding fathers came from, controlled everything. Not only religion, but also taxes, laws, gov't, everything went thru the "church". This is one of the reasons people migrated to the "new world" in the first place, to find their own freedom. This is the basis of the rationale for them wanting a "separation" of church and state.

I don't have issue with keeping them apart. My personal issue is with all the freaking ultra liberals that have taken everything 15 steps further and are removing plaques, words from the pledge, subjects out of books, books, etc. all in the NAME OF separation of church and state. It's not that religion is being taught in a public school setting. It's that a WORD or a PICTURE offends some wussified liberal and they invoke the good ole church and state crap. THAT to me is another example of how political correctness is ruining this country by taking the backbone out of people.

You know what? There are far more offending words and subjects being taught as part of the public school system's curriculum than if the WORD G-O-D appears in the pledge of alligiance. I don't see what the big deal is. You don't want to SAY the word G-O-D in school, then have at it and don't utter it EVER. What's the big deal?

People need to grow up and get a backbone. All the ultra liberal wussified pansies now want everything THEIR way, THEY are smarter than everybody, THEY know what's good for EVERYbody. Kids learn far more dangerous things and much much worse things in public schools than the WORD G-O-D. Instead of spending so much time worrying about their child SAYING the word G-O-D at school, they need to worry about that child learning how to do drugs, have unprotected sex, and even get shot at that same school now-a-days. Get a life already.

I agree with about 100% of what you say here except for one little thing: The Pledge.

The pledge never originally had the words 'under God' in it. It was inserted in the 50's and it was -specifically- stated that the goal was to furnish the acknowledgement of God's and his role in the country, it's people, etc. That's the only problem I have with it.

[Jaimecbr900]

I agree with about 100% of what you say here except for one little thing: The Pledge.

The pledge never originally had the words 'under God' in it. It was inserted in the 50's and it was -specifically- stated that the goal was to furnish the acknowledgement of God's and his role in the country, it's people, etc. That's the only problem I have with it.

I know, but how many people have died from saying "under God" 65 gazillion times since the 50's??? Not one.

These ultra liberal pansies need to grow a backbone and get thicker skin....."Can't drill for oil there because it will mess up the mating habits of the dung beetle"....."Can't spank your child because you need to talk to them to death first"...."Can't have this because you could get hurt if you stick it in your eye".... :jerkit: . The ultra liberals are all about control. Control over things, control over the gov't, and Control over US. Period. I'm so sick of the gov't or worse yet the wussified Liberals spending all their time trying to keep me from myself. People need to tie on their own shoes and if you fall down, get up and deal with it. Don't look for the gov't to put you on a pad everytime your pussy hurts because you are too stupid to do it yourself.

If I don't wanna say a WORD, I don't say a word. If it offends me, then I deal with it. If I don't agree with it, then I don't and move on. Political correctness is nothing more than an excuse for people to be a big fat sissy. Freaking grow up, suck it up, and deal with it. If you gotta kick someone's ass because they called you something you don't like, then kick their ass...that's dealing with it. Just don't turn into this spineless dweeb that only knows one way to deal with things.....whine until you get your way. I'm so sick of it myself.

Political correctness is nothing more than a crutch to life.

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[malfeas99]

I know, but how many people have died from saying "under God" 65 gazillion times since the 50's??? Not one.

These ultra liberal pansies need to grow a backbone and get thicker skin....."Can't drill for oil there because it will mess up the mating habits of the dung beetle"....."Can't spank your child because you need to talk to them to death first"...."Can't have this because you could get hurt if you stick it in your eye".... :jerkit: . The ultra liberals are all about control. Control over things, control over the gov't, and Control over US. Period. I'm so sick of the gov't or worse yet the wussified Liberals spending all their time trying to keep me from myself. People need to tie on their own shoes and if you fall down, get up and deal with it. Don't look for the gov't to put you on a pad everytime your pussy hurts because you are too stupid to do it yourself.

If I don't wanna say a WORD, I don't say a word. If it offends me, then I deal with it. If I don't agree with it, then I don't and move on. Political correctness is nothing more than an excuse for people to be a big fat sissy. Freaking grow up, suck it up, and deal with it. If you gotta kick someone's ass because they called you something you don't like, then kick their ass...that's dealing with it. Just don't turn into this spineless dweeb that only knows one way to deal with things.....whine until you get your way. I'm so sick of it myself.

Political correctness is nothing more than a crutch to life.

My .

Once again, I agree with your examples 100%.

However, the Pledge is sort of the exception to the rule, in my opinion. A historical item was specifically and deliberately rewritten to cram some religion down people's throats during the time when we were at the height of dealing with the 'Godless Communists'. It's not about result so much as it is intent. And the 1st amendment specifically states that you cannot make a law respecting the establishment of any religion. Inserting 'Under God' into the Pledge and stating with no room for doubt that you're doing it to put a little religion into people's lives is a direct and obvious circumvention of the law in both letter and intent.

Do I think it's harmful? Not really. Even as a Jewish-reared Athiest it's obvious it does very little. There's much bigger issues with what government needs to stop doing and get it's hands out of than two words in the Pledge. What we should both agree on, though, is that it's unconstitutional. Period.