Do you believe in God? Simple question

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Because a gift that is demanded is no gift at all.

As far as being all-knowing contradicting free will... Not sure how you're reaching that. For example: Just because I knew you were going to buy that Sentra three weeks before even you did, didn't stop you from buying it, did it?

"Gods will" absolutely contradicts free will. It's claimed that god is all knowing and all powerful. If I was god, and I knew you were going to murder someone, exactly when, where, and how, and I could do something to stop it, but didn't, would that make "gods will" evil?

But anyway, I'm not going to post in here anymore. The thread is about do you believe or not, yes or no. Debating it is pointless.

NOT debating would be pointless. Debate is a powerful tool we as intellectual humans use to expose others to different ideas and viewpoints and advance society. The great thing about science actually is that debate and peer review is encouraged

[CSquared]

"Gods will" absolutely contradicts free will. It's claimed that god is all knowing and all powerful. If I was god, and I knew you were going to murder someone, exactly when, where, and how, and I could do something to stop it, but didn't, would that make "gods will" evil?

I think giving children cancer is evil

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Debating it is pointless.

NOT debating would be pointless. Debate is a powerful tool we as intellectual humans use to expose others to different ideas and viewpoints and advance society. The great thing about science actually is that debate and peer review is encouraged

In a way, .blank, Echo is right. No one is introducing anything new. It's all just recycled material over and over again. This is not a topic that can be finalized. The only way to make that happen is to prove or disprove the existence of God. There is no way to convince non-believers to believe just as there is no way to convince believers that there is nothing to believe in.

I think giving children cancer is evil

That's another thing that always has me questioning any high being. If God was great and all loving, why would he have an Earth like this? Or why would he allow people to be born with abnormalities? You ever walk through CHOA? That'll make you question things real quick. Later, QD.

[Chilanter]

That's another thing that always has me questioning any high being. If God was great and all loving, why would he have an Earth like this? Or why would he allow people to be born with abnormalities? You ever walk through CHOA? That'll make you question things real quick. Later, QD.[/QUOTE]

Just another point of view,
Say we have a operating system, computer programs, and a administrator.
Lets say the administrator designed the computer programs to have free will
These programs were designed to work the operating system in which they were programed.
Now these programs are wondering where and why they came from.
These ideas came from free will is an attribute which was designed in them.
So the administrator uploads a certain application to a program to convey understanding to the other programs on their
level of understanding of why they exist.
No matter how much these computer programs debate an question who and why this operating system works this way,
they will never really come to a conclusion because their just programs with limitations that exist only through
through the will of the administrator.


Lets replace the operating system with this planet earth
The computer programs with humans.
The administrator with god.
An the uploaded application with the Quran.

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Just another point of view,
Say we have a operating system, computer programs, and a administrator.
Lets say the administrator designed the computer programs to have free will
These programs were designed to work the operating system in which they were programed.
Now these programs are wondering where and why they came from.
These ideas came from free will is an attribute which was designed in them.
So the administrator uploads a certain application to a program to convey understanding to the other programs on their
level of understanding of why they exist.
No matter how much these computer programs debate an question who and why this operating system works this way,
they will never really come to a conclusion because their just programs with limitations that exist only through
through the will of the administrator.


Lets replace the operating system with this planet earth
The computer programs with humans.
The administrator with god.
An the uploaded application with the Quran.

That certainly never answered the point of my question. Later, QD.

[CSquared]

That certainly never answered the point of my question. Later, QD.

Indeed.

Plus, following that example, why did god then create computer viruses?

Especially those that slowly kill children who never had a chance to live their life and most likely don't even understand what is happening to them.

Owned.

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In a way, .blank, Echo is right. No one is introducing anything new. It's all just recycled material over and over again. This is not a topic that can be finalized. The only way to make that happen is to prove or disprove the existence of God. There is no way to convince non-believers to believe just as there is no way to convince believers that there is nothing to believe in.

It is important to note that "non-believers" don't need to disprove God to make their point because they aren't saying "God absolutely does not exist". They are saying there is insufficient evidence to prove that God exists so it shouldn't be stated as a fact when it may or may not be true.

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It is important to note that "non-believers" don't need to disprove God to make their point because they aren't saying "God absolutely does not exist". They are saying there is insufficient evidence to prove that God exists so it shouldn't be stated as a fact when it may or may not be true.

I honestly have no idea what you mean, dude. Later, QD.

[Benefit]

If I was god, and I knew you were going to murder someone, exactly when, where, and how, and I could do something to stop it, but didn't, would that make "gods will" evil?

he gave you a brain instead of controlling what you do