Originally Posted by trini_gsr
no but it can be argued that Christ's creation is implied in the Bible. you're familiar with the arguments for and against this so I don't need to re-hash it here. obviously you're against it
Yeah, it seems like we just disagree on the definition of free will. going by your definition I see why you would say we don't have free will. only God would. i would say then given this definition, that God has given us free choice to determine our destiny.
Where? Im familiar with he argument, but where is it implied? Christ made claims to be God. Therefore the implied creation would fall flat on its face when looking at the references of Christ that are reflected back to creation... either way...I can agree this is something some say, but those who say it say it do so without evidence that stands up to scrutiny. The nice thing about this is that we can reference the Bible and give an exact answer to this.
I agree with you on the free will thing mostly. its just the self determined destiny that I can't really get my hands around. but that's okay. we can agree on this, and I think we both see one anothers perspective.
BTW. I am going to start another thread really quick to handle this kind of conversation so this thread can stay on topic.
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