Quote Originally Posted by trini_gsr View Post
of the physical universe, yes. we know all 3 were present THEN. but whether God created Jesus or the Holy Spirit BEFOREHAND is definitely a debatable point. You can argue it either way (and it has been for centuries).
yes...but not based off of the Bible. the Bible does not give an account for the creation of Christ or the HS.

our definition of what free will is clearly differs. because i think that free will is the ability to make whatever CHOICES you want, accepting the consequences that comes as a result. You can CHOOSE to skydive without a parachute, but in doing so you realize will probably die. You can CHOOSE to speed on the hwy, but in doing so you realize that eventually you will get a ticket. A slave might not have any freedom, but yet he can still CHOOSE to defy his master, although doing so might mean punishment or death. Just because you can't control the consequences of your choice, doesn't make that choice any less yours to make. This is what it means to have free will.
Again, please read your own definition. You are describing choice. Having a free will is demonstrated in more than just choices. Free will leaves you open to infinite possibilities based on a full understanding and freedom from that which you wish to avoid.

Maybe if give me an example of what you would define as "not having free will" I could see your viewpoint a little different. But I really don't think that your will is purely made up of choices. Your will is made up of desire, choice, law, and your character. You cannot do all that you desire, your character is shaped by the world around you, law dictates all that we do and the way we view our universe, and choices are limited by your knowledge of the possible answers. If you don't know there is option E on the test, you will NEVER answer E therefore your choices are limited by an outside factor.