Do you believe in God? Simple question

[geoff]

not gonna even respond to this. i have given more than enough scientific, logical, historical, and spiritual evidence to prove my point. i will just continue praying for you. God bless

[SPOOLIN]

no prob...come back tomorrow and god will have sat on his hands while another 41000 of his children starved to death. i guess the christians here are just special and god answers their prayers...

yep!

Look...We are never going to know the REAL truth to any of this arguing until someone contacts us from another universe/galaxy/dimension/planet and tells us what the fuck happened here and what caused all of this to be what it is today.

Ever seen "Mission to Mars" ??

Exactly my Point

[Ocelot]

yep!

Look...We are never going to know the REAL truth to any of this arguing until someone contacts us from another universe/galaxy/dimension/planet and tells us what the fuck happened here and what caused all of this to be what it is today.

Ever seen "Mission to Mars" ??

Exactly my Point

when that happens could you imagine the chaos that would ensue after being told by another civilization that earth is the universes F*** up? its all an accident? man that would be interesting, but then again, if another alien race believes in god and has similar teachings such as the bible, Koran, etc, (after all, the Bible and Koran and other books are pretty much the same exact thing, with the same stories, only due to language barriers the names are changed...) i would say that is proof enough that there is a God. honestly...

[geoff]

there would still be skeptics that say that those other civilizations are wrong and its just their opinion. even if God Himself came down and slapped these people and had a conversation with them they would still try to write it off as some phenomenon in nature lol

[zimabog]

I still think that if you guys research other religions you would see the light.
Don't make me post it all in here.

[Ocelot]

there would still be skeptics that say that those other civilizations are wrong and its just their opinion. even if God Himself came down and slapped these people and had a conversation with them they would still try to write it off as some phenomenon in nature lol

I'm saying for myself, I would believe without a doubt if a civilization from another planet had the same texts as Earth.

I still think that if you guys research other religions you would see the light.
Don't make me post it all in here.

yes, all religions are similar, the books teach the same things, and the stories are all almost exactly alike, the only difference is the names/ language. which is totally understandable, from a logical standpoint. if all religion spawned from one religion, then since not everyone speaks the same language, the wording and names would have to change. unfortunately, people became far too proud of "their" religion and began things such as crusades, inquisitions, and jihads... thinking their religion is the be all end all religion. often seen in die hard Christians stating other religions worship "false Gods" when in reality no one is wrong, they are all the same, just with a language barrier.

to better explain this, go to youtube or google and watch Zeitgeist. sure the guy rags on religion the entire time, but I think the similarities between the religions give them more credit for being possibly true as opposed to discredit them. however this guy does make some good points as well.

[sport_122]

Learn about other religions and their history.
Then tell me straight up that you still believe in Christianity.


Then take a few biology, chemistry, physics, dynamics, and thermodynamic classes and tell me straight up you still believe in the divinity of modern humans (god's image and we have special dominion from god to rule over other animals), prayer/miracles, and an afterlife.

What makes the Bible any more creditable than the Koran, Torah, Avesta, Rigveda, Pali Canon, the scriptures of Jainism, Taoism, ...ect?

i minored in Studies of Religion and I believe more than ever. There is more evidence to support Biblical accuracies than most people are willing to accept. Of course there is some overlap between other faiths. What that should tell you at least is that somehow people are tapping into this stuff without having it crammed down their throats from another culture or religion because it is somehow inside of us ALL. The thing about the Christian God is always going to come back to Jesus. Jesus' death and resurrection was proof of His claims. No other religion places a physical, historically proven, representative of their faith on this planet. There are MANY books about this that site very good reasons to believe it. There are many atheists that say that even the explosion of the Christian church immediately following his death is evidence that there was something going on with Jesus that made him a believable person in history, in that if he had not risen (he had been seen by hundreds of people after he was placed in a tomb) then people (especially jews) would have immediately dismissed him and his teachings as he made the claim that he would rise again. And there is huge significance to this. but of course the atheist reduces it to some sort of trick or misunderstanding of events.

My point is that its often not because there is no evidence, its more because your personal world view has been influenced and shaped in ways that make you think that it is not possible, therefore every piece of evidence you gather or that is laid before you will be denied or viewed with skepticism. Nobody can prove anything to someone who doesn't have an open mind to hear it or who refuses to believe. Even those people that say..."if God would ...." then I would believe...no they wouldn't.

Then take a few biology, chemistry, physics, dynamics, and thermodynamic classes and tell me straight up you still believe in the divinity of modern humans (god's image and we have special dominion from god to rule over other animals), prayer/miracles, and an afterlife.

This was my first major for three years. Biology, chemistry and physics. Aced them all and they do not say anything that contradicts anything of faith. You need to realize that the Bible does not give science lessons or research results in order to provide review. To assume that any of the sciences disproves anything in scripture is false. You can feel free to list what in science disproves what in scripture...and please site the scripture and site it as it is written, not as someone has interpreted it.

All the 6000 year old stuff, and the evolution stuff, none of that is discussed in the bible, so how could you say the Bible has presented a stance on it? I ask this quesiton to believers as well.

There are studies on the afterlife there are many books written on this and you obviously have NOT read any of them. (Dr. Gary Schwartz-Afterlife studies. You can read his stuff) Miracles cannot be defined scientifically as they would only be described as things that happen outside of the laws of nature. This means they are not testable and repeatable therefore science ignores them. Its a lose lose situation for anyone claiming a miracle. The scientist says prove it, but by definition the miracle cannot be proven to have happened a certain way so science ignores it (much like they do the UFO phenomenon)...whats that about?

In less than 4 hours it would be Saturday. Now I am going to wake up and do things. If you were a true Bible or Torah follower, you would track me down and kill me for breaking one of the Commandments.

this statement shows me that you really have not taken a serious look into asking what the Christian believes. This is far from the truth of their faith. In fact I would bet that you think all muslims are terrorists, all buddhists are monks, and all Jewish people have black hats and curly hair.

As stated before the codes of Leviticus and the 10 commandments are not the same. In the face of your obvious ignorance and lack of concern to accuracy I won't even explain it again. Just know this, you are completely inaccurate on your views of the Christian faith as it pertains to morality, justice, grace, and the God centered world view.

Not too many people view God as a giant man sitting on a giant golden throne in a kingly suit of armor. That is the mental configuration of a society who has taught themselves to associate all things with that of war and physical stature.

Finally,
you claim to have studied all of these religions, but the way you are completely misrepresenting and misquoting the Bible and the foundations of Christianity and Judaism, I doubt you. Even if you have I couldn't take you seriously on anything you would say about them as you have proven yourself to be inaccurate in many statements. Just remember that it is one thing to study it so that you know and you are accurate in what believers believe and it is another thing to believe it. Right now you are not doing either and when anyone who (believer or not) has studied and really researched the origins and history of the Christian faith reads your comments you sound extremely uniformed.

I still think that if you guys research other religions you would see the light.
Don't make me post it all in here.

as i just said. I don't believe you are accurate at all about Christianity which is all around you as a southern american, why would I think you are going to be factually accurate about any other faith/religion which is a minority and mostly hidden from the public eye? Your inaccuracies kill your own validity in this conversation.

Personally I thought you were doing okay when you were just asking questions and saying you didn't really agree.

[Ocelot]

no other religion has a physical, historically proven representative of their faith? really? what about Horus of Egypt? Krishna of Hindu? I guess they don't count

[Buttons]

no other religion has a physical, historically proven representative of their faith? really? what about Horus of Egypt? Krishna of Hindu? I guess they don't count

of course they don't count, it's not their religion...

[Ocelot]

of course they don't count, it's not their religion...

oh right... my bad

[zimabog]

Buddha was a REAL existing person. Going to worship him now?

Jesus, Krishna, Horus...
They are just avatars of their god. Vishnu has 10 avatars that supposedly come to earth as different forms.

Ocelot and geoff, i wish you understood what I was saying. I said you should research other religions to see how Christianity is just another religion. Just as some people might step out of a class that teaches ancient mythology or some other religion and say "Wow those guys are retarded for believing that stuff, now lets go home to get ready for Church to praise the Lord Jesus!"
See the irony?

I will respond to that wall of text after I eat dinner, but another thing to say before I go off. There were many many many "Oh hi, I'm the Messiah" people back in ancient Israel in the time of suspected Jesus.

[zimabog]

No other religion places a physical, historically proven, representative of their faith on this planet.

Buddha was a real proven guy, what about Mohammad? Wasn't he real too? It is said that Zoroaster was a real person. L Ron Hubbard of course existed as well. Also:
"born Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Nuri (Persian: میرزا حسینعلی نوری), was the founder of the Bahá'í Faith. He claimed to be the prophetic fulfilment of Bábism, a 19th-century outgrowth of Shí‘ism, but in a broader sense claimed to be a messenger from God" He said he was a messangar of God and he actually did exist for real because he was born in 1817.

Now the oldest religion still practiced today in the world... Hinduism, claims that Krishna, an avatar of Vishnu was born in 3228 BC.

Don't forget Mani:
Mani (c. 210–276 AD) was the founder of Manichaeism, an ancient gnostic religion that was once widespread but is now extinct.According to biographical accounts by al-Biruni, preserved in the tenth century encyclopedia the Fihrist of Ibn al-Nadim, Mani received a revelation in his youth from a spirit whom he later called the Syzygos or Twin, who taught him the divine truths of the religion.In his mid-twenties, Mani decided that salvation is possible through education, self-denial, vegetarianism, fasting and chastity. Mani claimed to be the Paraclete promised in the New Testament, the Last Prophet or Seal of the Prophets.Mani presented himself as a savior and an apostle of Jesus Christ.

Don't worry, there are more too.

My point is that its often not because there is no evidence, its more because your personal world view has been influenced and shaped in ways that make you think that it is not possible, therefore every piece of evidence you gather or that is laid before you will be denied or viewed with skepticism. Nobody can prove anything to someone who doesn't have an open mind to hear it or who refuses to believe. Even those people that say..."if God would ...." then I would believe...no they wouldn't.

Jesus could have existed, he could have not existed. I don't care. But what I do know is that you can not multiply fish or loaves of bread by praying. I do know that it is impossible for a human to have a virgin birth.

This was my first major for three years. Biology, chemistry and physics.

You had 3 majors?

Aced them all and they do not say anything that contradicts anything of faith.

If you really did learn about valance electrons, X and Y chromosomes, conversation of matter and energy, forces... Then you should have figured out that praying does nothing since miracles can not happen (even though today something as simple as a very underweight and premature crack baby living is called a miracle even though the baby is most likely going to end up retarded), that virgin birth is impossible. And that only what can happen does happen. To have Jesus to turn water into wine, extra atoms and molecules would have to have appeared out of thin air into that water... Impossible.

To assume that any of the sciences disproves anything in scripture is false. You can feel free to list what in science disproves what in scripture...and please site the scripture and site it as it is written, not as someone has interpreted it.

Ok.

Mat 21:22 "And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive."

They should have figured out that was bullshit long ago.
Name something in scripture and I will see if I can disprove it.

All the 6000 year old stuff, and the evolution stuff, none of that is discussed in the bible, so how could you say the Bible has presented a stance on it? I ask this quesiton to believers as well.

Well I didnt say anything about the 6000 years. People get that by adding up the genelogies of the characters in the Bible. But even though it it not directy discussed in the Bible, evolution is highly against it because the Bible provides its own story of human and animal creation. With God specifically creating a homo sapein out of dirt with that being the first hominid ever, a female homo sapein out of Adam's rib and specifically creating land and air animals.

There are studies on the afterlife there are many books written on this and you obviously have NOT read any of them.

Why would I want to waste my time with those?

In fact I would bet that you think all muslims are terrorists, all buddhists are monks, and all Jewish people have black hats and curly hair.

I am friends with muslims, my coworker is muslim. They are not terrorists. The section of Jihad is mainly described as an internal struggle with one's self. Not external war. In fact I plan to be traveling through Central Asia after I graduate. No not all Buddists are monks, just like your not a Christian monk. And the curly hair comment. It is proven that most people who claim Jewish heritage have genetics that can be traced back to the Levent and Middle East. Most Jews come from Israel/Levent, and it can be proven genetically. That is why Jewish can also be declared a genetic ethnicity and a religion. Many people do it on the census in many countries.

As stated before the codes of Leviticus and the 10 commandments are not the same. In the face of your obvious ignorance and lack of concern to accuracy I won't even explain it again. Just know this, you are completely inaccurate on your views of the Christian faith as it pertains to morality, justice, grace, and the God centered world view.

In response to that I say that you are completely ignorant to the non-believing view as it pertains to morality, justice, stuff...

Not too many people view God as a giant man sitting on a giant golden throne in a kingly suit of armor. That is the mental configuration of a society who has taught themselves to associate all things with that of war and physical stature.

Then how come people say "man was created in God's image"?
You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

Finally,
you claim to have studied all of these religions, but the way you are completely misrepresenting and misquoting the Bible and the foundations of Christianity and Judaism, I doubt you.

I was mainly using text taken from your own posts. And stuff that I did take from the Bible was pretty clear. Copy/Paste doesn't misquote.

as i just said. I don't believe you are accurate at all about Christianity which is all around you as a southern american, why would I think you are going to be factually accurate about any other faith/religion which is a minority and mostly hidden from the public eye? Your inaccuracies kill your own validity in this conversation.

I am not a "southern american". I was not born in this region and I do not plan to stay in this region. Since I currently do not have a job I spend most of my time watching travel documentaries that deal deeply with local culture and local people, presented by local people.

[Magnus213]

I do not.

[zimabog]

ok geoff i saw a video wherea guy explains why the harsh laws in the bible dont apply and it was something along the lines that jesus died as ultimate sacrifice for us so the liviticus laws don't apply.

I still think that's pretty nuts though.

[Buttons]

I do not.

is it because you believe in physics? lol

[Incontt]

more dead babies today. cant imagine watching these kids starve to death every day. god musta been a retard kid in a family of 5. look how fucked up the world is and to think it was designed by a supposedly all knowing all powerful being.
Just saw this on discovery-hd:
if the earth were a speck/grain/piece of sand...all the planets/stars/galaxies in the known universe add up to more than EVERY speck of sand on every beach on earth. think about that for a second. yeah we arent a special project of gods....we are just a probable statistic

[Ocelot]

Ocelot and geoff, i wish you understood what I was saying. I said you should research other religions to see how Christianity is just another religion. Just as some people might step out of a class that teaches ancient mythology or some other religion and say "Wow those guys are retarded for believing that stuff, now lets go home to get ready for Church to praise the Lord Jesus!"
See the irony?

i fully and completely see and understand the irony, I laugh at it constantly. I believe you have me confused with another poster, as I never stated what religion or even if i do believe in a or many God(s). I have looked at other religions, how else would i know about Egypt and all?

[zimabog]

i fully and completely see and understand the irony, I laugh at it constantly. I believe you have me confused with another poster, as I never stated what religion or even if i do believe in a or many God(s). I have looked at other religions, how else would i know about Egypt and all?

sorry, must have typed your name instead of sport or whatever.

[Ocelot]

it's all good.

[Maniacc]

Some of the people in this thread are so wrong it's sad.

And I'm not talking about the religous people - they're on point with everything that they said. Here's a little story. The other day I had a dream - a dream that I went to heave and talked to Jesus our Lord and Savior, and when I woke up I had a message from him embedded in my mind. This is what he had to say...

So here in heaven, far away from listening to you idiots, let me make a couple things crystal clear, ok?

Its getting to where a savior cant even take a serious dump anymore without one of you undignified cretins crying about something. I mean, come on.
You know how much fiber I eat? The bread of life? You think just because I can walk on water I can just make those gas pains dissapear?

And you, the evangelist who says I turned water into grape juice instead of wine, lemme give your children a mild case of cancer, ok? You think god doesnt need to tie one on once in awhile? You know how much bitching I hear on a secondly basis? And man, how much I just want to forget? You fools think Helen Keller had it rough, shit, lemme get that for a couple centries, a large order of fries, and see how you whining, crying children are afterwards.


So, for all you clowns looking for foregiveness, yeah, yeah, yeah...

These are the exact words that he said. In my dream we had a nice chat and afterwards I've come to love Jesus. Haha, he's actually a really kewl dude once you get to know him. Though I wouldn't want to get on his bad side - one day you might wake up with a 6 inch dick instead of a nose if you do.

What I realized is that even though people create churches for him and make music he really doesn't care about that. I mean think about it, guys. What did he get for dying for our sins? We write songs about him? Shit, they write songs about anyone now a days. See what I am saying? You think any of that money you guys put in collection plates goes to him? Sorry, but there are no bank accounts in heaven.

Also, in my dream Jesus and I were getting drunk and smoking pot it was awesome! We then snorted some righteous coke off the chest of Anna Nicole after we gave her an extreme Heavenly makeover. Convert people. Heaven is out of this world! Can't wait til I really get there.

[Ocelot]

cocaine is a hell of a drug

[onebadgt]

wow! im not even gonna start in here. gl with all of your beliefs and prayers are with u

[Ocelot]

lol even one bad GT wont touch that version of Christ, gotta admit though, I'm with him on that one.

[d993s]

I believe in pussy. And I do so because I can see it, touch it, fuck it, cum inside it, piss on it, etc. Therefore, I could even logically worship it, because it is proven to exist.

[geoff]

once again your posts are a waste of time.

[d993s]

once again your posts are a waste of time.

How so? At least they're somewhat humorous and don't have retarded attributes attached as a means of worshipping non-existent beings.

[geoff]

you my friend have alot of maturing and growing up to do. you sound like a 9th grader telling jokes at a all boy gay sleep over

[d993s]

you my friend have alot of maturing and growing up to do. you sound like a 9th grader telling jokes at a all boy gay sleep over

I'm not sure what brought on those gay fantasies of yours, must be all that belief in god.

[geoff]

no it would be all the pictures of homosexual activities you have posted and the comments you have made. they speak for themselves. apparently you dont like the idea of God cuz homosexuality is an abomination to Him and that just doesnt sit right with you. so how long till you come out of the closet?

[zimabog]

we need more gay people... too many people reproducing on this planet

[bu villain]

no it would be all the pictures of homosexual activities you have posted and the comments you have made. they speak for themselves. apparently you dont like the idea of God cuz homosexuality is an abomination to Him and that just doesnt sit right with you. so how long till you come out of the closet?

I know if I were an all powerful being, a master of the universe, I would be really concerned with whether or not two girls were kissing.

[DieselNuts]

I believe there is a God that created the things in the universe, but I've got mixed emotions about religion

[d993s]

no it would be all the pictures of homosexual activities you have posted and the comments you have made. they speak for themselves. apparently you dont like the idea of God cuz homosexuality is an abomination to Him and that just doesnt sit right with you. so how long till you come out of the closet?

Im straight. All the pics I've posted were directed to your homoerotic fantasies of jesus and his 12 gay lovers and god, who ask you to eat his flesh. I think they mean ASS, so go for it; eat god's ass and suck on jesus's's's's balls, you ignorant waste of life.

[Warlock]

I do, there is no way i would be where i am today without god. Things have happened to me in my life that would not have happened without him

[zimabog]

such as?

[ahabion]

we need more gay people... too many people reproducing on this planet

It starts by making a choice... glad you're forsaking women and looking for more manly relationships. Good for you!

[zimabog]

It starts by making a choice... glad you're forsaking women and looking for more manly relationships. Good for you!

Im not gay and or bisexual. I simply see the big picture of what's happening.
Gay people don't have sex with females = no reproduction (besides test tube babies)
Maybe it cancel out all the Mexican couples with 6 kids hanging off the carts at Walmart. Just kidding.

[Justin51982]

I know there is, without a doubt. I've had too many things happen in some odd ways to nod believe.

[Ocelot]

we need more gay people... too many people reproducing on this planet

false, the problem is that not everyone is having at least 2 kids, which will in the long run cause a huge problem, certain "races" will begin to fade out.

[zimabog]

false, the problem is that not everyone is having at least 2 kids, which will in the long run cause a huge problem, certain "races" will begin to fade out.

Very true, good point. People of full European decent in America are soon becoming a minority.

But worldwide overall, sustainability is at serious risk. For those who don't know, "sustainability" is interconnected to everything and everyone on the planet. Sustainability combines the subjects of economics, ecology, renewable energy, material resources, and many more areas. And population growth is at the top of the list of things that effect sustainability. More cars, more food needs, rising food prices, less resources, less land, more pollution...ect.

Everything you consume, everything you buy, every resource you use... effects everyone on earth. It is really a butterfly effect. That is just you... now consider everyone on the planet.... now consider the rapidly growing population.




Now that's a good thing about homosexuals. They aren't birth machines.