i have never heard otherwise, still if there was tool use why are there no tools remaining, no trace of a being working?Quote:
Originally Posted by btstone
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i have never heard otherwise, still if there was tool use why are there no tools remaining, no trace of a being working?Quote:
Originally Posted by btstone
i would rather think someone created me then follow a evolution theory filled with gaps and mokeys that throw pieces of thier own shit at each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by yojimbo
but maybe i feel as though im better than that...:goodjob:
Fuck post 223 --- post 219 > *
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well, you are looking for tools God used, why not look for God himself. :thinking:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ocelot
you need to be out killing aldulterers like the bible says. Dont forget the people who work on Sundays...gotta be killed as well. Dont forget the homos and the teenagers that dont obey their parents...gotta die too. You christians are some nice peeps.
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Originally Posted by btstone
how did God create you?
he snap his fingers? did he shit you out? please explain...
LOL brb i gotta go stone some homosexuals to death...Quote:
Originally Posted by Incontt
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Originally Posted by BABY J
I know huh?
post # 219Quote:
Originally Posted by zimabog
--- case closed.
He spoke me into existence. when you get finished throwing shit at the other monkeys you should sit down and ask.Quote:
Originally Posted by yojimbo
incontt---whats with all the stereotypes. we dont call you a Fag because you drive a T/A.
you dont call me a fag because the bible tells you to kill fags and know you arent man enuff to do it.
What stereotypes? Its in the bible.....gods book. I am waiting for the devils book.....I think it will be better with a bonus dvd
i almost fell out of my chair laughing. man enough. HA. im still laughing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Incontt
aaahhh... he spoke you into existence? you and i are different -- let me clear you in on something... we're actually apes, not monkeys. if we were monkeys then why are there still 'monkeys' living on earth today?? i know!Quote:
Originally Posted by btstone
some monkeys stayed in the forest and that's where the dumb motherfuckers still are aka you...
and the clever ones moved to the city and adapted aka me. haha
i don't know if it should be considered evidence but I want to howl and throw shit at you. could this be de-evolution??!!!
/sarcasm
so... if we came from monkeys than why are their other chimps, apes... primates to be exact living on this planet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GEh1u5fF4M - human evolution: the evidence
also, check this out: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencean...le-to-ape.html
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Originally Posted by Taylor
i wonder if that's the norm in speciation.... cause you can't just come up with new genes on the fly for new environments/demands, so regulatory genes are the first to advance, like scaffolding, until the rest of the genome can build itself up to standards.
which could be related to punctuated equilibrium(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium).. thoughts?
... haha i can keep this up --- all fuckin day son!!
so, answer me this. what's your theory on how humans came to be?
just like the bible.....all talk. If you are what drinking the kool aid represents, who would want a glass of that.
Go kill something in the name of god.
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i almost fell out of my chair laughing. man enough. HA. im still laughing.
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you have an open invite to try me when ever you see me. but you wont do anything so end this liitle display of how small you penis is here. thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by Incontt
yojimbo---calling me stupid is not gonna help believe a theory that has never or will never be proven. keep living in the city throwing shit at the other "APES". i will stay here (where ever that is) laughing at you.
believe what you want. i just asked the question of why. why believe something that doesnt even sound correct to common sense. i would much rather believe someone created a world that is SO COMPLEX. a boom or natural selection could have made something with so much detail and perfection.....take a look at any explosion. i have never seen it create anything but destruction, not life
ahaha don't get butthurt now, stone...Quote:
Originally Posted by btstone
i'm not calling you stupid, honestly. just a little - out there.
and yes an explosion does create destruction but look at natural explosions... take volcanos for example... although destructive the ashes they release eventually neutralizes the soil so it acts as natural fertilizer.
earth's been impacted by meteorites for millions of years, but we don't see the craters because they are now covered with water, plants, forests', ect...
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Originally Posted by yojimbo
you seem to be the ONLY "smart" person who thinks that Evolution answered the question of human origin, logic and moral code. No major evolutionists believes that. If evolution is your final answer to everything then fine, you can only say that after ignoring billions of years of development that happened before that, and just about every scientist who has ever published something about human origins and life origins. But I am sure you have already done this because you talked about the adaptation and breeding of Dogs, which is NOT evolution.
In your evolution post, I actually agreed with the statement of the modern church often fails to maintain the teachings as written in the Bible. This is partially true. Evolution is partially true (but you also mixed it with adaptation which isn't the same thing and that tells me you don't know what evolution is), then you said "that some of these churches either mis-interpret the Bible or ignore it completely" This is where you should have stopped. You completely showed us that you are just like these people. You don't want to get your information from the Bible about what Christianity is, yet you obviously don't know what it is based on your comments about God and suffering, and then you reject a statement were someone encourages you to actually listen to good scholarly conversation on the topic. How is that supposed to support your previously grounded stance...it doesn't. So are you wanting to have an informed opinion or just one based off of rhetoric and hypothesized statements.
You ask foolish general questions about the christian faith and then you try to answer them with your nonsensical statements and uninformed viewpoints. You are not a person who really cares to know demonstrated by your response to my post. My post has NOTHING to do with your NDE. My post was to say that if you are going to study in the Bible, you can't just read it and you can't just sit in front of a pastor and let him tell you what it means. its not harry potter. It is a book written in a different time, culture, and language. Nothing secular or religious that meets those criteria can simply be read or dictated in pieces and understood. It has historical value, not because the church says it, but because secular historians say it, it has sociological, philosophical, and anthropological value not because Christians say it, but because sociologists, philosophers, and anthropologists say it. These are the very people that wrote your history books and your social studies books.
Do you even realize that the only way any science is valid is if we can link the findings together somehow, and if our universe is just an explosion gone made then there is NO link unless there is more.
Also, atheists and agnostics have been around for a long time. This is not a new movement. There is a NEO-atheistic movement going on, but it is just the same thing with a different coat, but you didn't know that did you...you know why? because you ignore the very evidence of things in history that people would present to you. The true sign of a fool is one who claims to have knowledge yet refused to do what is necessary to acquire the things required for understanding. I find it pretty damn retarded that you would post all this stuff when you obviously don't know a damn thing about the other viewpoint. And I really doubt you feel bummed out because you are an atheist...its probably more related to your lack of good arguments for being one. And if you don't have good sound arguments for your belief (this goes to Christians as well) then you are doing yourself an injustice by not throwing yourself into as much understanding about all viewpoints as you can.
So to sort it out:
Tell me what church has told you that they will make you evil-free or that you will live an evil free life? And how did you know that this was BS? I have NEVER heard a church say this.
What tells you that God ENJOYS the suffering of men? I have never seen this in the Bible either, nor have I heard it from anyone except atheistic fundamentalists who have to force themselves to ignore parts of the Bible to even come close to making this statement.
What causes the suffering of men?
What would make you say that the Bible has morals and guidelines to a better way of life, when it is very clear that we are to follow the same God that you claim enjoys to watch us suffer?
What morals come from the Bible?
Does the Bible say that God leaves his chilrden?
What makes you think this country is Big into religion?
If you believe in God, and you partially act as though you don't completely doubt his existence, then how would you define him and how is it accurate?
There are STILL Apes too!!! Why are there still apes? You don't know a damn thing about evolution do you? I am a christian who believes that evolution is partially true, but i know that you don't know a damn thing about it and what it speaks about our existence.Quote:
Originally Posted by yojimbo
YOUR god tells you to kill fags. Walk the walk instead of just talk.
I am saying your convictions are as weak as your religion. Whats your facnination with my penis? Drink some more kool aid and turn the other cheek. I know you love me...the bible tells you to.
Gone to eat lunch at Hooters. Ill be expecting those prayers you guys are doing for me to get answered.
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Originally Posted by btstone
First off, I can't believe you are using Wiki to get information...I could make a wiki post saying we are all birds...or we are rabbits.:lmfao:Quote:
Originally Posted by yojimbo
You actually choose to use wikipedia over books written by scholars and people who actually study this stuff...That may be why you said there are no more Apes...:no:
You need to look up Steven Jay Gould and learn something about it before you want to argue it....BTW...just so you know, there are many versions of evolution as well but NONE of them relate to Cosmology, or Ontology. So where does this validate any sort of evolution vs Creationism debate.
Creationism focuses on the catalyst of life, evolution focuses on the process of life. Please, connect the dots for me because I know for a fact that the Bible only give ONE specific with regards to the process of creation and that is that men come from the dust of the earth. (Abiogenesis. Life from non-life)
You wanna talk Biology bring it, but you better be ready to go back further than evolution because I have studied evolution and I know that the philosophical answers on life are NOT met by evolutionary theory. That is what people mean when they say it is not proven, they are saying that the process is not proven to have been the origin of life and rightly so because it does not account for the origins of life.
sport 122, you, unlike bstone's posts has a very nice write up with signs of intelligence - i'll give you that. i could dissect your posts and rebuttal,
but that'd be a waste of time... for both of us.
we're obviously two smart individuals with different beliefs. if you would like me to continue let me know... lunch is around the corner and i'm starving! smoking a j or two would also help me combat that wall of text and all your other little kitty posts, so don't count me out just yet.
i'll be back... and my posts might be a little longer than yours. kool
Where is that from? Could you send me the information from the bible, I must have missed it somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Incontt
oh no im not butthurt. i just enjoy finding flaws in your arguments.......and the earth's age is not known. if its 1 million years old or 10,000 years old. carbon dating has already been proven NOT to be a reliable source for datingQuote:
Originally Posted by yojimbo
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Originally Posted by yojimbo
so because he feels like wasting more time typing a post to someone who is obviously out there. I am not intelligent? hmmm. very smart
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Originally Posted by yojimbo
Im good with a discussion. I can handle a long post, I try not to type them, but you have to be really specific sometimes because people like to try to read into what is not there. But I have a problem with ANY side of the argument when we don't really bring forth three things.
First we have to agree that we have two different world views and that means that even though we may not agree, we still have to be willing to try to understand each other from our respective world views.
Second, we have to identify specifically what you want to discuss. and stick to it. Posts are long because there are too many varied topics. We can discuss evolution, but it will get us nowhere and it really doesn't even fall in the same philosophical and sociological plan as the christian faith so that is too complicated. We could discuss science in general as it relates to the christian faith. Anything specific.
Lastly, I will be respectful to you in discussion as long as you are respectful to me. If we can't have a respectful discussion back and forward then neither of us benefit and we are wasting each others time.
if we can keep to those things I am all for a good discussion, but I warn you. I have been VERY VERY Deep into this stuff for a long time, and it deals directly with my college degrees of study even before it dealt with my faith.
there are times you just can't get any sexier :cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Incontt
why must i walk a certain way when you are shouting that i am supposed to kill fags? i am me, i do not worry about your ignorant rants about killing fags.Quote:
Originally Posted by Incontt
since you are so concerned with my walk, why dont you come hang out with me and see what i am about..... i dont drink, smoke, or go clubbing or any of that. not to say im perfect. but none of that stuff, I FEEL, betters me as a person so i do not do it.
if you do, that is totally fine. you will never hear me say a word to anyone about it being wrong. that is just my conviction...you may see me in a bar with some friends drinking a bottle of water, does that mean im not walking the walk. because i will go hang out with friends in a bar or party...i may even talk shit to people like on here....am i not walking my walk?
really, what can you say about my walk other than these internet shit talking i do...we know the internet is serious business.....and the street racing? i am not perfect, i will never be, but ill be damned if i am going to let some old fag tell me im not walking the walk when he cant tell the difference between the koran and the bible...:goodjob:
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Originally Posted by sport_122
Homosexuality in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament)
Leviticus 20:13
This verse is very similar to Leviticus 18:22 which we discuss in greater detail in another section. You might want to read the series of essays in that section first.
Overview of Leviticus 20:13:
This is almost identical to Leviticus 18:22. In transliterated Hebrew, the verse is written: "V'ish asher yishkav et zachar mishk'vei ishah to'evah asu shneihem mot yumatu d'meihem bam." However, it adds a compulsory death penalty to the participants. In various translation the passage has been translated:
* ASV: (American Standard Version, 1901) "And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
* Darby: (J.N. Darby Translation, 1890): "And if a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them."
* ESV: (English Standard Version): "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."
* HNV: (Hebrew Names Version): "If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
* KJV: (King James Version): "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
* LB: (Living Bible): "The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have brought it upon themselves."
* NASB: (New American Standard Bible): "'If {there is} a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them. "
* Net Bible: "If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves." 1
* NIV: (New International Version) "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
* NKJV: (New King James Version) "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
* NLT: (New Living Translation): "The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have committed a detestable act, and are guilty of a capital offense."
* RSV: (Revised Standard Version): "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them."
* Webster: (Noah Webster Version, 1833): "If a man also shall lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them."
* Young: (Robert Young Literal Translation, 1898) "And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood [is] on them."
very god-like on the internet arent you. I love the excuses...christians have them because they need them. Exactly WHICH version of the bible do you live your life by?
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Originally Posted by btstone
what is your excuse for not being able to read and comprehend a post. is it the school system, the way you were raised, etc.....excuses you dumb asses give for being stupid....Quote:
Originally Posted by Incontt
re-read my post dumb ass.....try to understand it
any idiot can use me as an excuse not to like christians. not the smartest idea, it is usually a cop-out. but what ever makes you feel better about being you. when death comes, we will see who is right.
find an excuse i have made! i will gladly re-cant it
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you don't drink? according to some biblical stories drinking is perfectly fine.
when did jerry mention the Koran? i'm confused. the bible said death to homosexuality. that has nothing to do with any other religious scripture?
re read the post, i didnt say anything was wrong with drinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by Ocelot
see thats why there are so many dumb asses out there....no one knows how to read. they read 2 words and think that is it
you say you feel it doesn't better you as a person, but why were drinking laws made? by hypocrites. why can't we drink on sunday?... oops, i meant "buy" on sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by btstone
so where did i say it was wrong. and drinking laws are made for a reason. NOT SAYING ALL, but how many times have you heard of ppl being completely diff when they are drunk, going all violent and shit. how many girls get drunk and become super easy to have sex with? i know of many. i been with quite a few back in the day. you said that your self. drinking laws are placed for a reason, just like speeding laws, and etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Buttons
how about you read? no reason to come at me when I understood what you wrote, which i can't say the same for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by btstone
BY DRINKING LAWS, i basically spelled out the "can't buy alcohol on sunday" law. if you can't comprehend that one, stop coming at people saying you are evolved, smart, and other nonsense.
IMO, if you really think about it really hard, Its impossible that something greater couldn't exist. Every explanation I have ever heard as to why something greater couldn't exist makes no sense, well they make sense but dance around the fact that something causes everything. The big bang and all the other theories are very solid but if there was absolutely nothing in existence nothing would have ever come of it. I have lots of other reasons for the my beliefs too but I'm not going to make a text wall. My beliefs are entirely my own I have never been to a church or anything like that I think that there is something out there and hopefully something after I die. So god=yes religion=lulz.
Man - there is a lot of win in here. But definitely more lose. LOL
In opposite scope of my post #219:
If you research quantum mechanics and read about electrons, positrons, quarks, protons, bosons, ect... Then you also know that there are things so inversely sized to the thousand lightyear wide celestial objects I mentioned that you could say their existence is irrelevant in our day to day life. But on the contrary, for if these subatomic did not exist then the universe would be an infinite vacuum and not filled with the matter we know of today. The sole fact that atoms can share electrons to form a covalent bond is so important that practically everything to use today, even your own body would not exist. Something that is less than .1% of the entire mass of the atom its part of, yet the atom could practically not exist without it.
So we humans could feel like those 3,000 lightyear wide space objects compared to atoms. What does this scope of reality say to me? It says that even if there is a god/creator, it is completely not necessary to do the silly things religious people do. It, if exists, can't answer, or even hear prayers. It, if exists, does not have gender. It, if exists, can not do miracles. It, if exists, can not have an image. It, if exists, does not and can not judge you.
It, if exists, can not exist here.
So why call it god? If anything, call it nature. Nature is not divine, it is nature.
I'm an atheist.
I agree. I think something greater is prolly out there but the christian bible version aint it.
every year 15 million kids die from hunger. This all powerful christian god is a cold bastard. Think about that 15 million childrens bodies every year. He can make the world...the universe but cant feed these kids?
Look at the divorce rate amongst christians. Its practically the same as everyone elses. Apparently the bibles plan doesnt work so well. cause the whole thing is a sham but that offering plate fills up every week.
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i do not believe in something greater. i wouldnt be an atheist if i did.Quote:
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LOL...