Quote Originally Posted by sport_122
I can't really agree with the free will thing. If you are basing it on what the Bible says then suffering is a product of sin not free will. Much like punishing your child when he does something wrong. He doesn't get punished for making ANY choice, ONLY when he does what you told him not to. With your statement "Suffering is unavoidable in a world with free choice." What if everyone made the right choice? That is why it doesn't work. Also I think if you use either one of these definition, it shows that there are consequences to decisions which means that there is something universal about right and wrong.
Wake up. Living organisms have an agenda which is to survive. S U R V I V E!

Pretty simple. Eat the weak and survive. You'll evetually get killed by a stronger, younger being thus causing the cycle of life to continue. There is no mysterious phenomena occurring here! Just life.

If you can't comprehend that then just stop trying me. Because I've debated religion for a long long time! On IA, in person, in church, you name it. I can go on for days and days. You think you can provide me with some entertainment? Lemme tell you something. NO one on IA can which is why I don't even bother to debate it anymore.

Because it's a waste of my time.

People commit evil because we're not some pansy fucks who would rather live in a garden of flowers drinking tea and talking about the times we helped build a new school/church, gave food to charity, ect. That's all gay shit. We would rather act like animals in one way or another. Which is why people drink, smoke do bad, fuck random girls/guys, commit murder... because we're not a peaceful species. And that's the truth.



Quote Originally Posted by sport_122
I believe (this is subjective and you don't have to agree) suffering is unavoidable in a world with sin. i think that suffering is a product of sin, and sin is a product of disobedience, whether its God or its your parents beating your butt when you disobey the point is you get punished. I believe that somehow all suffering is a product of sin. ONLY because I believe that there is universal law and breaking those laws causes damage.
No. It's because we're curious fucks.


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PS: If you don't know me, know that I'm a very very big douchebag. Don't take what I say to heart - religion is just a subject that bugs the fuck outta me. Especially when I think the other person's retort is filled with stupidity.