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NAMNORI
kids in the rear of the house away from the door and stairs the wife and i in the front of the house near the stairs and front door. needed to know huh. it's not an arguement i'm informing you of your stupidity. if you've ever been hunting you'd know that one of the first lessons is to make sure that you know where everyone who is with you is at before you shoot. i keep the kids away from danger by making anyone who wants to do harm to them pass me first!!!!! If you can make it past me then you're damn quiet and sneaky as shit, but you wouldn't be able to make it up the stairs with out making a sound, i love my old squeaky steps and that's why i won't fix them!
Listen pal, I'm going to pull rank on you here.
I've BEEN hunting since you were still playing marbles with your buddies by the swings, so don't for a second sit there and talk to me about "hunting". 
Obviously, "hunting" has got you in the mindset that you should hunt deer with a 7 mag ALL the time because that's the rifle that kicks more.... It's overkill my friend, it's overkill. Yeah, a 7 mag will put a deer down at 500 yds, but who the fuck shoots at deer at 500 yds in GEORGIA??? So it's a compensation for lack of things in other places. Kinda like a 60 yr old driving that shiny new Corvette.
Much like your brilliant idea that because you want to be billy bad ass and load the heaviest and hottest load into a shotgun, it's just compensation for lack of something else where. What that is, I have no clue. You want to breach a heavy door, cool....slugs it is. You want to shoot an intruder, in the dark, with kids sleeping feet away, slugs are NOT the best choice. YOU can argue with me all you want, but it's a fact. It's like burning down the whole house to kill a mouse. Yeah, you killed him.....AND the WHOLE house too. Great job.
You want to keep beating on your chest Tarzan??? Here you go, don't take it just from me. See if this doesn't sound familiar:
"The one ounce slug, fired from a 2-3/4-inch Federal, Remington, or Winchester shell, has a one shot stopping success of 98%. A deer barrel with rifle sights is the appropriate platform for this round. It is not the best choice for self defense because aiming becomes the critical factor in effective shot placement. The high probability of scoring hits, an advantage associated with buckshot loads, is lost. Slugs also have ferocious recoil and tend to over penetrate.Although birdshot is not as lethal as buckshot, even at close range, it may make sense for home or apartment defense where the opportunity exists to injure or kill innocent people behind thin walls in adjacent rooms. For defending a single family home, buffered by land, 00 buck is preferred. The choice for birdshot loads is BB or #4 birdshot. Out to a range of 30 feet or so, birdshot is essentially a solid column of lead pellets. Stopping power may not be sufficient, however, due lack of penetration potential."
Want more proof? Here you go:
"Slugs are potent manstoppers, but have limited application for self-defense. Slugs have ferocious recoil and often over-penetrate. There are special situations where slugs might be preferred over buckshot (e.g. road-blocks, barricaded foes), but if you are interested in such esoterica I again direct you to Ayoob's masterful tome 'Stressfire II: Advanced Combat Shotgun'. This guide is for general civilian readers; policemen, soldiers, and gun enthusiasts should rely on Ayoob's in-depth expertise."
"Two things to keep in mind about birdshot. The first is that birdshot is as lethal as buckshot at close range. Don't believe for a second that you can just wound someone with birdshot and he'll go on to live another day. If you aren't justified in killing a man, you aren't justified in wounding him, either. Never "shoot to wound." I once again direct you to read Ayoob's 'In the Gravest Extreme' and learn the truth.
The second thing is that birdshot makes a lot of sense for home defense. I keep my home-defense 12 gauge loaded with two #4 birdshot rounds followed by 00 buck. Birdshot is much less likely to penetrate thin interior walls and kill innocent people on the other side, and has lower recoil than buckshot for faster follow-up shots (I live in a thin-walled apartment house, however - if I lived in a solid house with a lot of land around, I would definitely choose buckshot instead). The stopping power of birdshot should not be under-estimated: at ranges out to thirty feet or so, birdshot is virtually a solid column of lead. Choose any #4 or BB high brass lead hunting load. I like the Federal "Classic Lead Hi-Brass" #4 birdshot (HI26-4) and Winchester "Super-X" #4 high brass birdshot (X12-4), but there is little difference between the various choices. Buy whichever you please. If you're a bird hunter, use your favorite hunting shells as long as they are #6 or larger."
I highlighted some things that weren't said by me, but Massad Ayoob, one of the foremost authorities in self-defense in the world who happens to run a facility that trains not only civilians but LEO's on self-defense techniques, ammo, and tactics. He's published many books used by LEO's as damn near the bible on ammunition choice for self-defense and man stopping capabilities. He also writes for Guns and Ammo and hosts his own show, ironically enough titled "Personal Defense TV". I Tivo every episode if you wanna see some of them. Wanna keep arguing that I'm wrong???? Argue with him and his 30+ yrs of EXPERIENCE in Law Enforcement.
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