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[Jaimecbr900]

narrow hallway and yes two under two

sorry just like with my deer during hunting season i like knowing that they are gonna stay down

Well, this may be the wrong thread for this, but I'm going to say it anyway:

You may want to do 2 things; Practice with your shotgun more and put something other than slugs into it for home defense.

Slugs will penetrate interior walls like a hot knife thru butter. If you have little ones, collateral damage is NOT an option IMO. There is absolutely no need for anything more than bird shot or a mild buckshot for home defense. Anything else and there is a big possibility that you will hurt an innocent person. If you've ever seen the pattern of even the lightest bird shot @ 20 ft, it is about the size of a large pizza coming from even an 18 in defender barrel. Even if you live in a box, your hallway is wider than 2 ft, and even if it wasn't the bird shot is not going to over penetrate and hit your sleeping child two rooms over. The power level of even bird shot @ 20 ft is greater than most and certainly plenty to stop 99% of intruders dead where they stand if you hit anything vital. If you want to risk your children's life to "make sure they stay down with big buck slugs"......then go for it. It's just not smart science IMO.

[Danny]

Slugs will penetrate interior walls like a hot knife thru butter. If you have little ones, collateral damage is NOT an option IMO.

True

There is absolutely no need for anything more than bird shot or a mild buckshot for home defense. Anything else and there is a big possibility that you will hurt an innocent person. If you've ever seen the pattern of even the lightest bird shot @ 20 ft, it is about the size of a large pizza coming from even an 18 in defender barrel.

Bird shot is exactly that: designed to stop small birds, NOT humans.

Even if you live in a box, your hallway is wider than 2 ft, and even if it wasn't the bird shot is not going to over penetrate and hit your sleeping child two rooms over. The power level of even bird shot @ 20 ft is greater than most and certainly plenty to stop 99% of intruders dead where they stand if you hit anything vital.

Birdshot is not effective and lacks the power to penetrate to vital organs. This why birdshot only travels through approximately 1 wall instead of 4-6 like a slug will. yes u can kill people with birdshot, but as far as a defense load goes: birdshot isnt one. Buckshot #4 and smaller are NOT defense loads, they are simply too small and lack the power to reliably and predictably penetrate to vital organs on a human.

If you want to risk your children's life to "make sure they stay down with big buck slugs"......then go for it. It's just not smart science IMO.

Absolutely. Slugs are not ideal for defense loads. They are normally used as special application loads/ long range engagement loads.

It should be noted that your average handgun will penetrate more walls than a shotgun will. As always dont pull the trigger unless your sights are on target, this will help alleviate most over penetration issues. But of course, thats easier said than done

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[NAMNORI]

Well, this may be the wrong thread for this, but I'm going to say it anyway:

You may want to do 2 things; Practice with your shotgun more and put something other than slugs into it for home defense.

Slugs will penetrate interior walls like a hot knife thru butter. If you have little ones, collateral damage is NOT an option IMO. There is absolutely no need for anything more than bird shot or a mild buckshot for home defense. Anything else and there is a big possibility that you will hurt an innocent person. If you've ever seen the pattern of even the lightest bird shot @ 20 ft, it is about the size of a large pizza coming from even an 18 in defender barrel. Even if you live in a box, your hallway is wider than 2 ft, and even if it wasn't the bird shot is not going to over penetrate and hit your sleeping child two rooms over. The power level of even bird shot @ 20 ft is greater than most and certainly plenty to stop 99% of intruders dead where they stand if you hit anything vital. If you want to risk your children's life to "make sure they stay down with big buck slugs"......then go for it. It's just not smart science IMO.

Ok just to make this short i do hit my targets 2 i go to the range more than most 3 my kids have been stratigically placed in the safest room in the house for this possibility. Slug kills no matter what, it doesn't matter if he dies right awat or 30 min later at the hospital to me it's just one more piece of shit iff the streets. @ 100 feet it hit 1-2 inch groupings indoors or outdoors at 20 feet i hit bullseye everytime! I don't care if you wear armor 1 in the head two in the chest either way you are dead!

[Jaimecbr900]

Ok just to make this short i do hit my targets 2 i go to the range more than most 3 my kids have been stratigically placed in the safest room in the house for this possibility. Slug kills no matter what, it doesn't matter if he dies right awat or 30 min later at the hospital to me it's just one more piece of shit iff the streets. @ 100 feet it hit 1-2 inch groupings indoors or outdoors at 20 feet i hit bullseye everytime! I don't care if you wear armor 1 in the head two in the chest either way you are dead!

Dude, I don't know what to say, except that IMO you have no clue what you're talking about. You have the wrong mentality, but hey.....they're your kids and if you want to put them in harms way, it's on you.

I'd love to see how you "strategically" put your kids to be out of harms way from a slug shot in the house. What are you going to do? Tell the bad guy to move over 5 ft because he's in the "wrong" spot for your "strategy"??? Unless you live in a trailer where all the rooms are on one side and the hallway is on the other, you are likely to have something down range if that deer slug misses that has to stop it. You want it to be one of your kids? Cool for you.

If you don't care if the person dies on the spot or 30 mins later, why not just load the shotgun with rock salt and aim for the mouth??? Again, right distance, wrong aim.

Whatever man. I'm not going to keep arguing with you. Use what you want.