as far as im concerned, both of you are retarded. im sorry to say to both of you, that there is NO WAY of proving either case to ANYBODY. on one hand, we have BIG WORM who is obviously a christian, doesnt seem to know quite as much about it as maniac, but can hold an intelligent argument nonetheless. then tehres maniac, who knows what hes talking about but cant seem to control his bashing to actually form the "intellectual debate" that he claims he wants.

BIG WORM - so basically you think of religion as some form of life insurance that prevents you from a really shitty afterlife, and dont necessarily believe what you claim to. isnt that like having car insurance only because you are required by law, and not necessarily because its a good thing to have? just like everyone else, you arent 100% sure that its real. there is no factual evidence that eve talked to a snake, that god created all of this in 7 days, etc, but you recognize that there IS real factual evidence favoring science, right?

maniac - for the most part i agree with your opinions, but not the way you go about forcing other people to believe the same thing as you. its no different than the preacher guy at that one sonic meet who was screaming bible verses at the top of his lungs, trying to force his religion down everyone elses throats.