Marijauna Myth's

[99hatch]

In all honesty we all know it should be legal. It was in this country up untill the mid 1930's. Even Thomas Jefferson has been quoted as saying (im paraphrasing so bare with me) "Some of my best ideas and inventions have come from an afternoon of smoking hemp on the back porch and observing nature." Alcohol was illegal when Cannibus was Legal. So its the Corporations and the government that is swapped it back.

Secondly Cannibus is a plant that grows naturally like any other crop. Its not changed and altered like meth. It just grows and was put here by God (I believe, lets not turn this into a holy war), where as alcohol was invented by man.

[The Ninja]

I'm going to cross breed weed with some legal plant... so that the legal plant starts producing cannabinoids... then I'ma smoke it. And sell it.... and make a fortune!

j/k

[99hatch]

Not a bad idea......If I was only a Botanist. Could cross it with lettuce, then whenever you eat a burger or salad, you good to go.

[eViLMunkey]

Ahh they do need a pocket version. But i have a TV in my car as well as a AC plug and rca outlets. So I can plug mine up in the car and ride!!! hahaha. Now we wont get into the safety issues of riding while operating a volcano and watching TV. But usually i have a passenger help.

Bwahaha!! one of my friends did that for his road trip to CO in his blazer, and minus the TV

[nreggie454]

Not a bad idea......If I was only a Botanist. Could cross it with lettuce, then whenever you eat a burger or salad, you good to go.

Actually, no.

Marijuana does not contain THC. It contains THCA, which still can give the effects of smoking marijuana, but isn't nearly as potent. The act of heating the THCA via smoking, cooking, etc. converts the THCA to THC which gets you higher.

[Sport1.3]

Secondly Cannibus is a plant that grows naturally like any other crop. Its not changed and altered like meth. It just grows and was put here by God (I believe, lets not turn this into a holy war), where as alcohol was invented by man.

Naturally fermented fruit when exposed to the correct types of bacteria produces trace alcohol

a piece of bread becoming wet and simply forgotten, After a short time, can ferment to produce inebriating pulp....this lead to pulp wines (effectively the first mash) and then eventually to beer as we know it. Something like 6000 yrs ago, it was Discovered, not invented

just like anything else, an idea or discovery can be taken and made better over time......indeed pot and the ways in which it is cultivated have come along way

[99hatch]

The fact is its illegal, but I believe that will change. After all we now have Obama as president and he is bringing Change right?

[99hatch]

Naturally fermented fruit when exposed to the correct types of bacteria produces trace alcohol

a piece of bread becoming wet and simply forgotten, After a short time, can ferment to produce inebriating pulp....this lead to pulp wines (effectively the first mash) and then eventually to beer as we know it. Something like 6000 yrs ago, it was Discovered, not invented

just like anything else, an idea or discovery can be taken and made better over time......indeed pot and the ways in which it is cultivated have come along way

Well I was mostly referencing Hard Liquor since that is what kills most people when they OD on Alcohol. Beer is a bit harder to OD on.

[The Creeper]

Either way guys and gals, considering the state of our economy and nation, the legalization of marijuana is not important in the least right now. The US has bigger fish to fry.

[eViLMunkey]

Either way guys and gals, considering the state of our economy and nation, the legalization of marijuana is not important in the least right now. The US has bigger fish to fry.

actually if you want to go that route, legalization could benefit the US's Economy in other aspects. cause the bankers sure aren't.

[The Ninja]

Actually, no.

Marijuana does not contain THC. It contains THCA, which still can give the effects of smoking marijuana, but isn't nearly as potent. The act of heating the THCA via smoking, cooking, etc. converts the THCA to THC which gets you higher.

Its the drying and curing of pot that converts the plant acids into THC, as well as the 106*C tempurature that also triggers the quick conversion of THCA to THC, known as decarboxylation.

Did you know you could increase the potency of your weed by putting it in the oven at ~225*F?? (A dramatic increase in potency)

[The Creeper]

actually if you want to go that route, legalization could benefit the US's Economy in other aspects. cause the bankers sure aren't.

The econimcal effect of the legalization of marijuana on the US economy would be insignificant to say the least. If you think otherwise, then maybe you should stop smoking so much

[nreggie454]

Either way guys and gals, considering the state of our economy and nation, the legalization of marijuana is not important in the least right now. The US has bigger fish to fry.

How about the flip side of that?


Considering the state of our economy and nation, the government should do what is reasonable to bring in more money and limit spending. One way to help solve both of those problems is to legalize marijuana. It could be taxed like cigarettes and alcohol, and less money would have to be spent on tracking down, prosecuting, and jailing marijuana users.

This is a fairly easy and safe way for the government to save and earn billions, which is very important considering the state of our economy and nation.

[The Ninja]

#

"The most recent figures available from the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) indicate that, in 1999, federal expenditures on control of illegal drugs surpassed $17 billion; combined expenditures by federal, state, and local governments exceeded $30 billion. What is more, the nation's so-called 'drug war' is a protracted one. The country has spent roughly this amount annually throughout the 1990s."

Amazing. Wanna guess how much of this was in the control of marijuana?

[The Creeper]

How about the flip side of that?


Considering the state of our economy and nation, the government should do what is reasonable to bring in more money and limit spending. One way to help solve both of those problems is to legalize marijuana. It could be taxed like cigarettes and alcohol, and less money would have to be spent on tracking down, prosecuting, and jailing marijuana users.

This is a fairly easy and safe way for the government to save and earn billions, which is very important considering the state of our economy and nation.

There is so much wrong with this post I do not know where to start. You say the government should limit spending and bring in more money. The legalization process and the process of setting new laws and guidelines to the using, distributing, and production of marijuana would cost BILLIONS. and the gains from this process would not be seen over night, it would be many years down the road after everything is perfected. I agree with you that this process should happen in the next 5-10 years, but right now, not a chance.

Another thing, think about who would be selling this product if it were legalized. Those companies would be reaping huge benefits from the sales. If Marijuana was legalized, the price would be much more then what it costs now, I can promise you that. If you wanted the regulation to work, there would be very strict guidelines to whats legal and illegal. They would make certain products legal, and marijuana grown naturally or personally illegal. This is what would have to be done for the government to see any benefit to the legalization of the drug. If the simply legalized the drug, It would save money in the court systems and jailing systems no doubt, but it would not generate any kind of money coming in.

Another way to look at this is say it was legalized and regualted perfectly. And then companies started to distribute marijuana with no troubles, and everyone bought from these companies. It would be expensive, and im sure millions of people would be buying this product. This would take away millions of dollars of profit from other companies selling any product you can think of. This would not stimulate the economy at all, it would actually have a negative effect.

That being said, this goes back to simply legalizing the use of the drug. How much good would this actually do? I garuntee it would still be illegal to distribute or sell on the streets. It would be illegal to do it while driving. And I can garuntee you the common work place would not allow it either. So if you think about all of that, it really would not help the court system or save our government any money at all. I typically hear about people getting arrested because they were high driving, had it in their possession while doing something illegal, being something minor or major, or dealing the drug. So the people that simply use it at home, at night, not planning on going anywhere, never really going to get caught, should not care about the legalization, because it hardly effects them. To me this not abusing the drug, but simply using it to relax on their own time(meaning not at work, or driving, etc etc) in a safe controlled enviroment that the general public has no problem with.

Sorry for the long rant, and I know its a bit cluttered and jumps thoughts, but I did not feel like writing a well thought out essay to get my general point across. So in conclusion, I think the people that bitch the most about the legalization of marijuana are the people that abuse it. Im done for now talking about this subject, and if this post gets flamed, I will then write a well thought out essay and post it up in here.

[Sport1.3]

There is so much wrong with this post I do not know where to start. You say the government should limit spending and bring in more money. The legalization process and the process of setting new laws and guidelines to the using, distributing, and production of marijuana would cost BILLIONS. and the gains from this process would not be seen over night, it would be many years down the road after everything is perfected. I agree with you that this process should happen in the next 5-10 years, but right now, not a chance.

Another thing, think about who would be selling this product if it were legalized. Those companies would be reaping huge benefits from the sales. If Marijuana was legalized, the price would be much more then what it costs now, I can promise you that. If you wanted the regulation to work, there would be very strict guidelines to whats legal and illegal. They would make certain products legal, and marijuana grown naturally or personally illegal. This is what would have to be done for the government to see any benefit to the legalization of the drug. If the simply legalized the drug, It would save money in the court systems and jailing systems no doubt, but it would not generate any kind of money coming in.

Another way to look at this is say it was legalized and regualted perfectly. And then companies started to distribute marijuana with no troubles, and everyone bought from these companies. It would be expensive, and im sure millions of people would be buying this product. This would take away millions of dollars of profit from other companies selling any product you can think of. This would not stimulate the economy at all, it would actually have a negative effect.

That being said, this goes back to simply legalizing the use of the drug. How much good would this actually do? I garuntee it would still be illegal to distribute or sell on the streets. It would be illegal to do it while driving. And I can garuntee you the common work place would not allow it either. So if you think about all of that, it really would not help the court system or save our government any money at all. I typically hear about people getting arrested because they were high driving, had it in their possession while doing something illegal, being something minor or major, or dealing the drug. So the people that simply use it at home, at night, not planning on going anywhere, never really going to get caught, should not care about the legalization, because it hardly effects them. To me this not abusing the drug, but simply using it to relax on their own time(meaning not at work, or driving, etc etc) in a safe controlled enviroment that the general public has no problem with.

Sorry for the long rant, and I know its a bit cluttered and jumps thoughts, but I did not feel like writing a well thought out essay to get my general point across. So in conclusion, I think the people that bitch the most about the legalization of marijuana are the people that abuse it. Im done for now talking about this subject, and if this post gets flamed, I will then write a well thought out essay and post it up in here.

interesting points

[nreggie454]

There is so much wrong with this post I do not know where to start. You say the government should limit spending and bring in more money. The legalization process and the process of setting new laws and guidelines to the using, distributing, and production of marijuana would cost BILLIONS. and the gains from this process would not be seen over night, it would be many years down the road after everything is perfected. I agree with you that this process should happen in the next 5-10 years, but right now, not a chance.

Yes, you are right. It would take an initial investment of time and money for legalization to occur. However, it would be a one time cost, unlike the BILLIONS spent annually to limit marijuana usage even though it is ineffective.

Another thing, think about who would be selling this product if it were legalized. Those companies would be reaping huge benefits from the sales. If Marijuana was legalized, the price would be much more then what it costs now, I can promise you that. If you wanted the regulation to work, there would be very strict guidelines to whats legal and illegal. They would make certain products legal, and marijuana grown naturally or personally illegal. This is what would have to be done for the government to see any benefit to the legalization of the drug. If the simply legalized the drug, It would save money in the court systems and jailing systems no doubt, but it would not generate any kind of money coming in.

Legalization would lower prices, not raise them. Money would be generated off sales/vice taxes.

Another way to look at this is say it was legalized and regualted perfectly. And then companies started to distribute marijuana with no troubles, and everyone bought from these companies. It would be expensive, and im sure millions of people would be buying this product. This would take away millions of dollars of profit from other companies selling any product you can think of. This would not stimulate the economy at all, it would actually have a negative effect.

Again, prices would be lower, not higher. Think about it. Currently, the supply of marijuana for Americans is low, while the demand is high. This causes high prices. Once it is legalized, the supply would be able to match the demand better and lower prices. Also, the economy is ever changing, and limiting something because it could hurt somebody else's business is pretty dumb. Should the government make the sale of import cars illegal because it hurts the business of the Big Three?

That being said, this goes back to simply legalizing the use of the drug. How much good would this actually do? I garuntee it would still be illegal to distribute or sell on the streets. It would be illegal to do it while driving. And I can garuntee you the common work place would not allow it either. So if you think about all of that, it really would not help the court system or save our government any money at all. I typically hear about people getting arrested because they were high driving, had it in their possession while doing something illegal, being something minor or major, or dealing the drug. So the people that simply use it at home, at night, not planning on going anywhere, never really going to get caught, should not care about the legalization, because it hardly effects them. To me this not abusing the drug, but simply using it to relax on their own time(meaning not at work, or driving, etc etc) in a safe controlled enviroment that the general public has no problem with.

That is a lot of speculation. Also, legalization affects all marijuana users, whether they would get caught or not.

Sorry for the long rant, and I know its a bit cluttered and jumps thoughts, but I did not feel like writing a well thought out essay to get my general point across. So in conclusion, I think the people that bitch the most about the legalization of marijuana are the people that abuse it. Im done for now talking about this subject, and if this post gets flamed, I will then write a well thought out essay and post it up in here.

No prob

[The Creeper]

"Yes, you are right. It would take an initial investment of time and money for legalization to occur. However, it would be a one time cost, unlike the BILLIONS spent annually to limit marijuana usage even though it is ineffective. "

^ It would not be considered a one time cost because the process would not happen over night, but I understand what you're saying, and I agree to an extent, just saying it should not happen right now.


"Legalization would lower prices, not raise them. Money would be generated off sales/vice taxes.


Again, prices would be lower, not higher. Think about it. Currently, the supply of marijuana for Americans is low, while the demand is high. This causes high prices. Once it is legalized, the supply would be able to match the demand better and lower prices. Also, the economy is ever changing, and limiting something because it could hurt somebody else's business is pretty dumb. Should the government make the sale of import cars illegal because it hurts the business of the Big Three?"

^I can see where you are coming from, but this is greedy America, not "make consumers happy" America. The demand of cigarettes is always high, yet why do I pay so damn much for some paper and tobacco? I do not think cigarettes are astronomically overpriced, but the tobacco compnay is making a KILLING off of me. My point about limiting other businesses was that we do not need marijuana taking the place of other things being bought right now. Think of how much would be sold if you could buy it at a gas station. There are plenty of people out there that would do it if it was legal, but right now choose not to use it because it is illegal. And your comparison of the japanese cars being sold is invalid, its a legal running business as of right now, and was never at one point illegal, so a different subject all together. I understand what you are saying though, and my argument was just meaning due to current economic times, marijuana is at the bottom of the barrell.



"That is a lot of speculation. Also, legalization affects all marijuana users, whether they would get caught or not."

^I know some of it is specualation, but is the argument wrong? How does one get caught using marijuana if he uses it on his free time at only his house, and grows his one little plant? The people getting arrested for it are the people driving while high, having it at parties, having possesion of it while doing something to attract the attention of the police, or buying/selling it. If legalized, It would still be illegal to sell it at a street level im sure, and also illegal to drive while being high, and they would set a age limit on it. So would the legalization really stop millions of petty arrests? This argument can go both ways, and both our arguments are valid so





"No prob "

Sorry, I am a quoting nooob. Did the best I could haha. Please forgive.

[alpine_aw11]

I need to get out of the WL...I missed a good one here.

Coming from a formerly avid potsmoker, it really upsets me to see friends go to jail for having a gram on them, while minding their own damn business.

What upsets me even more, however, is the general population of people who smoke. Seriously, weed attracts retards. It's unfortunate, but it's true. I don't hang out with retards, but 99% of my good friends smoke quite a bit. They are all well above average intelligence wise, but without trying to sound like an asshole, my friends and I seem to be a rare breed. I HATE the fact that around here most of the people who do drugs only do them because, well, they can't really do anything else with their lives. Your average stoner in my area is pretty much nothing but a stoner. I have "friends" like this, but I can't stand to be around them for long periods of time. They're mostly good people, but I seriously can't stick around in environments filled with people that are on their way to absolutely nothing. When weed becomes more than just recreation, it is ruined. I will always love pot, but there is a fine line between keeping your priorities straight and forgetting about the real world. As much as I would like to see weed be legal(I really think it always should have been), more and more worthless stoners would pop up and do more to ruin weed's reputation than they already have. I don't smoke nearly as much as I used to, and I've realized that now I appreciate it more than ever. I got way too into partying in high school, and instead of getting a 4.0 gpa like I should have I didn't do shit and got by with a 2.9. I thought it was so awesome to show up and get A's on every test, but when you miss 2 days of school a week and are extremely unfocused, there is nothing rewarding about it.

And to Ran and whoever else that puts all of us in the "dumbass" category, I get where you're coming from, but try to be a little more open. Nobody should smoke if they don't want to, but to give the drug itself a bad name because of the morons that surround it really isn't fair in my eyes.

[R3RUN]

According to Ohio State University THC helps prevent Alzheimer's and may increase brain cell production.


New research that came out the other day.




Stick that in yo pipe and schmoke it.

[Catnip]

Secondly Cannibus is a plant that grows naturally like any other crop. Its not changed and altered like meth. It just grows and was put here by God (I believe, lets not turn this into a holy war), where as alcohol was invented by man.

Why don't you point some poison ivy up to your mouth? It's made by God too

[R3RUN]

Why don't you point some poison ivy up to your mouth? It's made by God too

Yea but poison ivy isn't America's number one cash crop...

[Catnip]

Yea but poison ivy isn't America's number one cash crop...

What's your point? Neither is cancer but it's natural and a lot of people have it.























that was wrong

[R3RUN]

What's your point? Neither is cancer but it's natural and a lot of people have it.

I'm sure cancer is making a lot of people in this country very very rich.


I didn't really have a point though.

[Catnip]

I didn't really have a point though.

me neither

[K20Z1]

too much reading, but i know i dont smoke weed, or smoke anything!

[Maniacc]

-Debunking Myths about Weed

A lot of people say it's bad and a lot of people say it's not harmful at all.

As a smoker I will obviously sit here and say it's not bad but we're all smart and know that anything that involves smokin' or drinking is bad in one way or another to our bodies. Is it life threatening? I doubt it - but I do know some people who have changed once they let the weed start controlling them.

Any physical or mental damage though?

Maybe if you smoke a blunt a day for the rest of your life.

-Notifying public of Tobacco & Alcohol companies efforts at suppressing the legalization/decriminalization of weed.

What I don't understand is why weed is illegal when cigarettes aren't? When they pump cigarettes full of deadly chemicals such as DDT and cyanide, causes all sorts of disease, kills I don't know how many per year, and doesn't have one single beneficial effect (such as getting high)?

Well, the almighty dollar is the reason of course. Either outlaw cigarettes(yeah right) or legalize/decriminalize marijuana and regulate it. There's a shitload of money to be made in taxes, and they could use it for sure. Perhaps there'd be enough for health care if marijuana were legalized.

But then again, doing something like that might actually lead to more sensible policies in the future, and satan forbid that should ever happen.

[The Ninja]

The price of marijuana would drop to a ridiculous level. I'd estimate something like $15 a half.

Any physical or mental damage though?

Maybe if you smoke a blunt a day for the rest of your life.

Go back and read the first post.

The most of the damage actually comes from the cigars/papers that people roll the shit up in. Smoke it in a vaporizer and it nearly obliterates all harmful toxins.

There is so much wrong with this post I do not know where to start. You say the government should limit spending and bring in more money. The legalization process and the process of setting new laws and guidelines to the using, distributing, and production of marijuana would cost BILLIONS. and the gains from this process would not be seen over night, it would be many years down the road after everything is perfected. I agree with you that this process should happen in the next 5-10 years, but right now, not a chance.

If they simply decriminalized the sale/distribution/posession of marijuana this would cost billions??? Tell me where the money would be spent. Specifically.

Another thing, think about who would be selling this product if it were legalized. Those companies would be reaping huge benefits from the sales. If Marijuana was legalized, the price would be much more then what it costs now, I can promise you that.

The same people who're selling it now, as well as more people who want to sell it but fear repercussions, and a few companies.
They wouldn't reap huge benefits because they would have so much competition it'd be ridiculous. They would have to produce some VERY good shit for a VERY good price to keep people from growing their own shit.

but it would not generate any kind of money coming in.

Wrong once again. They would tax the shit out of imported weed, and out of weed sold in stores.

I garuntee it would still be illegal to distribute or sell on the streets. It would be illegal to do it while driving.

Why?? Why would it be illegal to sell or distribute?? Why would it be illegal to do while driving if studies PROVE that you are less likely to have an accident while high??? WHY if studies PROVE you are a safer driver while high???

So the people that simply use it at home, at night, not planning on going anywhere, never really going to get caught, should not care about the legalization, because it hardly effects them.

Not true. Those people who do use it in that manner are at fear for their jobs because they are participating in illegal activities (especially such with a horrible social stigma) that would show up on tests many jobs require you to consent to. Were it legal, it would be similar to a "Don't ask, Don't tell" as long as it doesn't affect your production in the work place.

[ksniperfox]

My point is that there a lot of things that are illegal and people still do them, so saying it is illegal is the weakest argument you could have chosen

well im not going to lose my job if i get some decent head. i probably wont get a ticket either, unless im driving simultaneously.


lots of things are illegal, but drugs of any sort will land you tickets, jail time, probation, unemployment, etc. anal sex will never do that.



point-the OP's article is very convincing and logical. but no matter what it says, the fact is that its still illegal and you are dumb as shit if you care to take the associated risks i listed above.

next point-your article brings up several good arguments. why then is it still illegal? we aren't living in the 50's anymore. we arent still segregated. the world has more or less grown up and thinks logically. hell they let faggots marry each other. why wouldnt they legalize some marijuana without good warrant?

[Tracy]

well im not going to lose my job if i get some decent head. i probably wont get a ticket either, unless im driving simultaneously.


lots of things are illegal, but drugs of any sort will land you tickets, jail time, probation, unemployment, etc. anal sex will never do that.



point-the OP's article is very convincing and logical. but no matter what it says, the fact is that its still illegal and you are dumb as shit if you care to take the associated risks i listed above.

next point-your article brings up several good arguments. why then is it still illegal? we aren't living in the 50's anymore. we arent still segregated. the world has more or less grown up and thinks logically. hell they let faggots marry each other. why wouldnt they legalize some marijuana without good warrant?

Maybe because a lot of DEA agents would not have jobs???? I'm not sure and it's just a guess.

Also, like I said, illegal is illegal and you can't make excuses for that.

[The Ninja]

@Ksniperfox

People like you are missing the point of the thread. Its not to convince you that its OK to smoke weed, its to inform you of common marijuana myths and debunk them.

Next point - You obviously didn't read the entire post. If corporations don't want something to happen, it won't happen. Simple as that, and vice versa.

[90_ACCORD]

A lot of people say it's bad and a lot of people say it's not harmful at all.

As a smoker I will obviously sit here and say it's not bad but we're all smart and know that anything that involves smokin' or drinking is bad in one way or another to our bodies. Is it life threatening? I doubt it - but I do know some people who have changed once they let the weed start controlling them.

Any physical or mental damage though?

Maybe if you smoke a blunt a day for the rest of your life.

Actually i think it was in the OP but it did say it could lead to 2 types of cancer not because of what is in it but because of the fact it is smoke and you are taking it into your body.

[Sport1.3]

Yea but poison ivy isn't America's number one cash crop...

By government funded studies ESTIMATING the average cultivation and consumption, as opposed to real figures taken by cash crops such as corn and soy beans....Not the mention the average market value of such commodities as marijuana compared to corn and the like, the price difference is astronomical per individual measurement. Also, the fact the convenience these surveys have and their association with the rise in government funding/tax dollars toward the "war on drugs"

[Maniacc]

Actually i think it was in the OP but it did say it could lead to 2 types of cancer not because of what is in it but because of the fact it is smoke and you are taking it into your body.

Are you blind or just alittle slow?

That's why I said this:

As a smoker I will obviously sit here and say it's not bad but we're all smart and know that anything that involves smokin' or drinking is bad in one way or another to our bodies

[The Ninja]

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/d...s_12-12-08.php

Bump, check that out.

[2.25teg]

lealize it

[ahhmyek]

I think it's hilarious that people let their government lead them around by their noses. If we were to legalize and tax pot it might even help out our current financial hard time.

[Nateds16]

my moms doctor told her to smoke pot for her pain that she has her body is attacking its self and it should be legal and should be treated like alchohol if you get what im saying agree or not i think sick people should be able to smoke it so they can eat now you people that smoke 24/7 i dont agree with you but i do

[thecrazyone]

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/d...s_12-12-08.php

Bump, check that out.

yea there is a video on youtube, of the president elect telling a MMJ patient that he wont let the federal government bust state dispensaries.

[Revmaynard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSH6ofHbeUw